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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Nobody has crushed me with facts. Nobody has provided me with the apparent 30 year record of unions continuously preventing meaningful education form. I asked someone for a list of those reforms and explanations for why we should consider them 'worthwhile' since that's a subjective word. I have pointed out over and over again how many of the very things teachers unions fight for also benefit students.

    I have given you so many facts - but you call them talking points and liberal rhetoric because you don't like them. Every single fact that I have given has been called that. In fact, now that I'm writing this...why am I even arguing anymore. Why am I arguing with people who won't accept facts. Goodbye.
    2/3's of Wisconsin 8th graders can't read at an 8th grade level. How have teachers unions helped things?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Like I said, as if every teacher has tenure.
    yup, every teacher who's made it thru probationary one and two

    you really gotta do something dumb to be ousted before making permanent

    cuz if they don't get you out in the first two years (actually before march 15 of year two), they're pretty much stuck with you

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Ain't that hillarious?
    I really don't think that liberals have any concept of personal income as apparently they believe it all belongs to the govt. thus allowing people to keep more of what they earn is a govt. expense.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Taxpayers don't fund tax breaks as tax breaks aren't an expense to the govt. It isn't the government's money first.
    The same faulty logic that has our National debt where it is today. If you decide to temporarily forgive a taxpayer his full share of taxes without providing an equal income source to replace it, then you are transferring that tax break to one class on the others. There are no free rides. You don't get something for nothing.

    Then because the tax breaks were not funded (offset) by another funding source other services must be cut, ie education.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    These states are moving to limit public employees "right" to collective bargaining: Wisconsin, Ohio, Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana, New Hampshire, Kansas, Tennessee, Colorado, Nebraska, Nevada, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Washington, Alaska, and Arizona.

    The greed of these public employee unions and the backlash against it may result in state after state passing right to work legislation which would cut the legs out from under the good unions that represent their membership fairly and do not make outrageous demands that cripple the economy. During the time the pipeline was being built in Alaska the Teamsters got so powerful and so grabby that other unions feared backlash from the state. It happened. A right to work law was passed and union workers lost many jobs. The work conditions for non-union workers is not as good and the pay certainly is not as good. If right to work legislation is passed throughout the country the quality of life for many people will suffer and the quality of the work done will suffer. One of the important functions of good labor unions is maintaining excellence in the workforce.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    I understand you're a bit overwhelmed...but can you tell me what reforms teachers have fought for? As an outside to the system, I don't see that education has changed much. Asking others to tell you what reforms should be considered so that you can shoot them down isn't as effective as you showing us what reforms teachers have put in place.

    In the private sector, when you want to reward someone for going above and beyond, there's a mechanism in place to do so. That is certainly not true in the public sector other than, perhaps, a glowing letter in one's file. And even then, if the person's seniority isn't there, the teachers' unions don't protect their above-and-beyond. Merit pay. Merit pay. Merit pay. Where is it? Why do unions continue to fight against it? Everywhere -- not just for teachers. The ladder system: how long ya' been there; what's yer degree. That just simply doesn't cut the mustard.

    Not when this stat is out there:

    Among the nation's 50 largest districts, the study finds, three graduate fewer than 40% from high school: Detroit (21.7%), Baltimore (38.5%) and New York City (38.9%).
    When unions -- or we, w/o unions, find a way to compensate teachers for results, believe me, those stats will improve. Are teachers even at the table in these discussions? Nope. It's against union rules.

    USATODAY.com - Big-city schools struggle with graduation rates
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The same faulty logic that has our National debt where it is today. If you decide to temporarily forgive a taxpayer his full share of taxes without providing an equal income source to replace it, then you are transferring that tax break to one class on the others. There are no free rides. You don't get something for nothing.

    Then because the tax breaks were not funded (offset) by another funding source other services must be cut, ie education.
    full share of taxes? What the hell does that mean? how about the 47% that don't pay any Federal Income Taxes, is that their full share? You will never understand the concept and have been brainwashed but tax cuts don't have to be funded. IF an that is a BIG IF tax revenue is less than projected, stop the damn spending to meet the reduction in revenue. I am still waiting for an explanation as to why there is a Federal Dept. of Education and why my tax dollars should be spent in your school district? Your state funds education in your district and that is where it belongs. Keep buying the big govt. rhetoric. The reason we have a 14.3 trillion dollar debt today is because of too much liberalism like the Great Society and New Deal. Every liberal social program costs more than intended, does less than intended,and never solves a problem.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Nobody has crushed me with facts. Nobody has provided me with the apparent 30 year record of unions continuously preventing meaningful education form. I asked someone for a list of those reforms and explanations for why we should consider them 'worthwhile' since that's a subjective word. I have pointed out over and over again how many of the very things teachers unions fight for also benefit students.

    I have given you so many facts - but you call them talking points and liberal rhetoric because you don't like them. Every single fact that I have given has been called that. In fact, now that I'm writing this...why am I even arguing anymore. Why am I arguing with people who won't accept facts. Goodbye.
    sorry, you were asked to provide one measely example of something the union supports that is good for the students, while not being good for the teachers union.

    and the response - crickets. post something of substance and stop flapping your gums newbie.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    These states are moving to limit public employees "right" to collective bargaining: Wisconsin, Ohio, Idaho, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana, New Hampshire, Kansas, Tennessee, Colorado, Nebraska, Nevada, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Washington, Alaska, and Arizona.

    The greed of these public employee unions and the backlash against it may result in state after state passing right to work legislation which would cut the legs out from under the good unions that represent their membership fairly and do not make outrageous demands that cripple the economy. During the time the pipeline was being built in Alaska the Teamsters got so powerful and so grabby that other unions feared backlash from the state. It happened. A right to work law was passed and union workers lost many jobs. The work conditions for non-union workers is not as good and the pay certainly is not as good. If right to work legislation is passed throughout the country the quality of life for many people will suffer and the quality of the work done will suffer. One of the important functions of good labor unions is maintaining excellence in the workforce.
    Yeah right, it those rich teachers, firefighters and cops that are bringing the country down, its not the millionaires, who since 2003 have been getting more in annual tax breaks ($91,000 on average) than a teacher makes in a year, but sure, for sure go after the teachers and give up and see how much better your life gets.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    meanwhile, ap reports yesterday that obama's ed secty arne duncan declares EIGHTY TWO PERCENT of american schools may be FAILING

    The Associated Press: 82 percent of US schools may be labeled 'failing'

    duncan, by the way, always was a bizarre choice as secty

    as ceo of chicago public schools he couldn't get the kids to and from class without shooting each other

    april, 2008:

    Public school students in Chicago aren't as worried about making the grade as they are about making it home alive, CBS News correspondent Cynthia Bowers reports.

    "You can't go nowhere without being shot," said Juston Gant. "It's crazy."

    Since September, 24 students have been murdered, most of them shot.

    Last school year 34 students were killed. That's 58 deaths over what amounts to a 17-month period. And that makes an average of one child getting murdered every eight days.
    Shock Over Chicago Student Gun Deaths - CBS Evening News - CBS News

    sorry

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