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Catawba said:
Okay chuckles, let's hear your suggestion. And while you're at in, add the trillion we are giving away to the rich each decade and you might have something that could begin to pay down our National debt.
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There you go again, trillions to the rich? Any idea how much a trillion is and where do you get your information? The entire tax revenue from the country is 2 trillion. If you confiscated the entire wealth of the rich you would pay off the 14 trillion debt. You are amazingly naive.
 
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Conservative said:
There you go again, trillions to the rich? Any idea how much a trillion is and where do you get your information? The entire tax revenue from the country is 2 trillion. If you confiscated the entire wealth of the rich you would pay off the 14 trillion debt. You are amazingly naive.
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I had a much stronger word in mind ;)
 
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Catawba said:
Okay chuckles, let's hear your suggestion. And while you're at in, add the trillion we are giving away to the rich each decade and you might have something that could begin to pay down our National debt.
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You need to read this.....

Feed Your Family on $10 Billion a Day

Seems like these days I hear a lot of whiney whiners whining about "out of control government spending" and "insane deficits" and such, trying to make hay out of a bunch of pointy-head boring finance hooey. Sure, $3.7 trillion of spending sounds like a big number. "Oh, boo-hoo, how are we going to get $3.7 trillion dollars? We're broke, boo-hoo-hoo," whine the whiners. What these skinflint crybabies fail to realize is that $3.7 trillion is for an entire year - which translates into only a measly $10 billion per day!

Mister, I call that a bargain. Especially since it pays for all of us - you and me, the whole American family. Like all families, we Americas have to pay for things - health, food, safety, uncle Dave America with his drinking problem. And when little Billy America wants that new quad runner they promised, do Mom and Dad America deny him? No, they get a second job at Circle K, because they know little Billy might have one of his episodes and burn down the house.

So let's all sit down together as an American family with a calendar and make a yearly budget. First, let's lock in the $3.7 trillion of critical family spending priorities; now let's get to work on collecting the pay-as-we-go $10 billion daily cash flow we need.

12:01 AM, January 1
Let's start the year out right by going after some evil corporations and their obscene profits. And who is more evil than those twin spawns of Lucifer himself, Exxon Mobil and Walmart? Together these two largest American industrial behemoths raked in, between them, $34 billion in 2010 global profits. Let's teach 'em both a lesson and confiscate it for the public good. This will get us through...

9:52 AM January 4
Okay, maybe I underestimated our take. But we shouldn't let Exxon and Walmart distract us from all those other corporate profiteers out there worth shaking down. In fact, why don't we grab every cent of 2010 profit made by the other 498 members of the Fortune 500? That will net us another, let's see, $357 billion! Enough to get us to...
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Read the rest....
 
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Conservative said:
There you go again, trillions to the rich? Any idea how much a trillion is and where do you get your information? The entire tax revenue from the country is 2 trillion. If you confiscated the entire wealth of the rich you would pay off the 14 trillion debt. You are amazingly naive.
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Haven't been keeping up eh? This was posted by a conservative: "Mr. Bush and his Republican allies in Congress want to permanently extend that tax cut and almost all of the others that Congress passed in his first term. The cost of doing that would be more than $1 trillion over the next decade, a cost that would hit the Treasury at the same time that the spending on old-age benefits for retiring baby boomers begins to soar."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html?_r=1

And this from the Congressional Record :

""The tax bill gave a $93,000 tax cut, on average, to those earning more than $1 million a year. Most Americans, however, get less than $100."

http://books.google.com/books?id=5ANDmIIpAmwC&pg=PA29059&lpg=PA29059&dq=Tax+cuts+for+the+wealthiest+Americas+cost+taxpayers+half+a+trillion+dollars&source=bl&ots=3TYncIKL9p&sig=tpFzNBA-ZRMPZmQzrVB6kNNdSbs&hl=en&ei=A45yTZSNN4KC8gagrYHpDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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Catawba said:
Haven't been keeping up eh? This was posted by a conservative: "Mr. Bush and his Republican allies in Congress want to permanently extend that tax cut and almost all of the others that Congress passed in his first term. The cost of doing that would be more than $1 trillion over the next decade, a cost that would hit the Treasury at the same time that the spending on old-age benefits for retiring baby boomers begins to soar."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html?_r=1

And this from the Congressional Record :

""The tax bill gave a $93,000 tax cut, on average, to those earning more than $1 million a year. Most Americans, however, get less than $100."
http://books.google.com/books?id=5ANDmIIpAmwC&pg=PA29059&lpg=PA29059&dq=Tax+cuts+for+the+wealthiest+Americas+cost+taxpayers+half+a+trillion+dollars&source=bl&ots=3TYncIKL9p&sig=tpFzNBA-ZRMPZmQzrVB6kNNdSbs&hl=en&ei=A45yTZSNN4KC8gagrYHpDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
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OVER THE NEXT DECADE!!! That is 100 billion dollars a year out of a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. and a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit AND IT IS A PROJECTION. Take it all and you now have a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit. You are absolutely amazingly ill informed and understand very little. Think instead of posting.
 
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Who is responsible for state and/or federal income taxes, social security tax and medicare tax on the money that is transferred to the union?

That will tell you whose money is funding the union.




I'm bettin' it ain't taxpayers. . . .:lol:
 
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Conservative said:
OVER THE NEXT DECADE!!! That is 100 billion dollars a year out of a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. and a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit AND IT IS A PROJECTION. Take it all and you now have a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit. You are absolutely amazingly ill informed and understand very little. Think instead of posting.
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That's a trillion for the Bush tax cuts alone, now go back and add in the even bigger tax cuts under Reagan for the last 30 years. We have given away several trillions of dollars in revenues that could have been used to reduce our debt.
 
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Catawba said:
That's a trillion for the Bush tax cuts alone, now go back and add in the even bigger tax cuts under Reagan for the last 30 years. We have given away several trillions of dollars in revenues that could have been used to reduce our debt.
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That is 100 billion dollars a year, it isn't all at once and has a very small impact on the deficit even if it wasn't spent in the economy that reduces the impact. Your ignorance is staggering. What the hell do those rich people do with their tax cuts? You don't think rich people employe people who pay taxes? You don't believe that rich people spend their money which leads to purchases which affects employment and people who pay taxes? This isn't a zero sum game but it is a private sector economy. Would love to know how you create jobs without people spending money?

By the way your article is from 2007 and is a PROJECTION!! Do you understand projections and how accurate they are? Try Obama's projections the past three years and tell me how accurate they were?
 
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Conservative said:
That is 100 billion dollars a year, it isn't all at once and has a very small impact on the deficit even if it wasn't spent in the economy that reduces the impact. Your ignorance is staggering. What the hell do those rich people do with their tax cuts? You don't think rich people employe people who pay taxes? You don't believe that rich people spend their money which leads to purchases which affects employment and people who pay taxes? This isn't a zero sum game but it is a private sector economy. Would love to know how you create jobs without people spending money?

By the way your article is from 2007 and is a PROJECTION!! Do you understand projections and how accurate they are? Try Obama's projections the past three years and tell me how accurate they were?
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Yeah, it actually turned out to be $150 billion a year. But what's a $150 billion a year right? Only more than the GOP controlled WH and Congress cut in spending in any year they were in control. And what has the $150 billion giveaway to the rich done for the middle class, it has been declining. And what has it done to repay our debt, nothing.

It has only made the wealthy more wealthy. I am not interested in our opinion. Show facts that dispute that the middle class has stagnated while the rich have grown richer?
 
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BWG said:
Who is responsible for state and/or federal income taxes, social security tax and medicare tax on the money that is transferred to the union?

That will tell you whose money is funding the union.




I'm bettin' it ain't taxpayers. . . .:lol:
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Where's the money come from to pay all that?
 
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Hell, we could just cut spending...but that would make too much sense.
 
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Catawba said:
That's a trillion for the Bush tax cuts alone, now go back and add in the even bigger tax cuts under Reagan for the last 30 years. We have given away several trillions of dollars in revenues that could have been used to reduce our debt.
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Catawba, I think you win the prize for the longest derail of a thread. What do the tax cuts have to do with this subject?? Really. If you are trying to say, "See!!! See what Republicans do!!! They take from the little guy and give to the rich!!!" Please remember that President Obama endorsed them, for heaven's sake. He called on Congress to cut the corporate tax rate: Obama Backs Corporate Rate Cut Along With Tax Simplification - Bloomberg

He (with Bill Clinton's endorsement, by the way) agreed to the very upper-income tax cuts you rail on about:

The latest "compromise" on the Bush tax cuts, extending the upper-income tax cuts for two years in exchange for the continuation of unemployment benefits, is simply the latest in a series of capitulations from the Obama White House.
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Obama Caves on Tax Cuts, Endorses 'Bush-McCain Philosophy' | The Nation

Endorsed this one:

The White House said Monday (Jan. 31) that its budget proposal would include the recommendation that a temporary tax cut for those who invest in small businesses be made permanent. Investors who put money into small businesses and hold on to the investments for at least five years would get a break in capital gains taxes after they sell, according to the Los Angeles Times.
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Obama Endorses Permanent Tax Cuts for Small Business | Facebook & AOL | Business News Daily

I think it's time you stopped being disingenuous and began calling this the Obama tax cuts, don't you?
 
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Amazed said:
Hell, we could just cut spending...but that would make too much sense.
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I'm up for that. We can start by the tax cuts to the rich that cost us a trillion dollars each decade and by cutting our military budget back to a non-imperiaistic level.
 
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Catawba said:
Yeah, it actually turned out to be $150 billion a year. But what's a $150 billion a year right? Only more than the GOP controlled WH and Congress cut in spending in any year they were in control. And what has the $150 billion giveaway to the rich done for the middle class, it has been declining. And what has it done to repay our debt, nothing.

It has only made the wealthy more wealthy. I am not interested in our opinion. Show facts that dispute that the middle class has stagnated while the rich have grown richer?
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You don't get it and never will. I am not sure this isn't an act for attention. It was a projection and didn't take into account any benefit those tax cuts generated for the economy. How you can claim it is a give away for people to keep more of their own money says a lot about you. Is your income an expense to the govt?

I can honestly see why people like you aren't part of that rich as you have no clue about innovation, creativity, risk taking and instead need the entitlement state. You buy the partisan bs that you believe supports your position not realizing how foolish it makes you look. If there was a 150 billion in lost revenue to the govt, why didn't the govt. cut spending 150 billion to offset it?
 
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MaggieD said:
What do the tax cuts have to do with this subject??
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The class war!
 
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Conservative said:
You don't get it and never will. I am not sure this isn't an act for attention. It was a projection and didn't take into account any benefit those tax cuts generated for the economy. How you can claim it is a give away for people to keep more of their own money says a lot about you. Is your income an expense to the govt?

I can honestly see why people like you aren't part of that rich as you have no clue about innovation, creativity, risk taking and instead need the entitlement state. You buy the partisan bs that you believe supports your position not realizing how foolish it makes you look. If there was a 150 billion in lost revenue to the govt, why didn't the govt. cut spending 150 billion to offset it?
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More opinion and no facts. See ya!
 
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Catawba said:
More opinion and no facts. See ya!
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You have offered no facts, you offered projections, show us how the govt. revenue was reduced 150 billion a year because of the tax cuts to the rich? Opinions aren't fact.
 
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apdst said:
What was your tax bill for 09?
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Probably the same or similar to everyone making the same amount as me!
 
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OscarB63 said:
bolded...there's your problem. stop the handouts
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But you mean "except the tax cuts for the rich", don't you? Why are they not considered "hand-outs" in your dictionary?
 
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OscarB63 said:
maybe if they got off their asses and stopped smoking newports and drinking 40s they could get trained/educated a provide a living wage for themself. :shrug:
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See, that is your problem. You've bought into the rich Reps/cons lie that every poor person get financial aid is somehow lazy and unwilling to work. There may be a few of those, there are always people that know how to work the system, but the majority of the people on assistance are not driving Cadillacs and buying beer and cigarettes with their help-money.

You, also, don't mind giving hand-outs to the rich, so they can buy their 7th house (and forget how many they own), and their 3 and 4th yacht! I wonder why?
 
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Amazed said:
Nobody owes you a "Living Wage", that is socialist speak for "I want more money, but I don't really want to wor for it".

You could CONFISCATE all of the money that the "Wealthy" own and you wouldn't solve any problems

The "take" other peoples money is your only answer to everything.

Now, you DO know it's their money, don't you?
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Yeah, and it's their country, too.
 
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Ikari said:
I follow the property. Ownership is 9/10's the law. The money stops being taxpayer money as soon as it is used as compensation for an individual's labor.
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You must not mind getting robbed then.
 
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j-mac said:
Why is it that liberals worry so much about what other people earn? Look Cat, if you think that the tax rates are too low, then you can send more money in. They'll take it, I promise.


j-mac
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Better still, if you want to give your money to the rich, send them your check - I'll continue to fight for fairness.
 
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mertex said:
But you mean "except the tax cuts for the rich", don't you? Why are they not considered "hand-outs" in your dictionary?
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Do you get a paycheck? Is that a handout for you to keep more of what you earn?
 
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Ockham said:
You must not mind getting robbed then.
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I have guns. The point to all this is that almost all money comes from the government in some way or form. It's ridiculous to claim that everything is thusly tax payer paid. Companies get subsidies all the time, schools get money, roads get money, religious organizations get money, etc. To claim that, for instance, my landlord is supported by tax payer dollars because that's where my money comes from is ridiculous. It's not tax payer money once it has been used as compensation for an individual's labor. At that point it becomes the individual's money.
 
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