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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't misunderstand. You said interest and not interest group.
    Well I guess I was assumed that you were politically aware enough to understand the context. I won't make that mistake again.

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    Regardless the point still stands, low-income minority students and their schools are a corporate interest and the those corporations love the Republican Party and hate unions.
    Please, turn off the partisan rhetoric. FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me. And there is absolutely nothing progressive about policies that favor archaic dinosaurs like unions, at the expense of the most vulnerable members of society: Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

    Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you. You've proven yourself incapable.
    Thank you for your opinion which isn't backed by anything other than your feelings. Suggest you get the facts to prove me wrong vs. your opinions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    texts are selected by panels of teachers, admins and parents, they are written to be sold to those preferences

    sorry
    And you think that they are immune to influence...just like the teachers who are immune to the influence of districts who encourage them to inflate grades or be fired?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your opinion simply doesn't hold up to the demonstrated value to students for these efforts.
    I've already explained this to you, and since you're intentionally choosing to lead the conversation in circles, I think this will be my last post to you on the subject unless you have something new to say. But I'll say it one last time:

    I'm not suggesting that the reforms you mentioned that the teachers' unions have supported are necessarily bad. I'm saying that of course they'll support those particular initiatives since they also line the teachers' unions own pockets. The problem is that they oppose every reform that doesn't directly benefit themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    Exactly my point, without the huge donations by unions to elections, there is nothing to balance out the big money from corporations. It is how corporate control begins.
    Except when it comes to public unions, no such balance exists. You seem to think that on one side of the negotiating table is a giant union and on the other side is a giant corporation...which may or may not be true in the private sector. But for public workers, on one side of the negotiating table is a giant union and on the other side are the American people.

    Unions and corporations don't "balance" each other in any meaningful sense in the public sector. When EITHER of them colludes to fix prices, the public suffers. In the case of teachers' unions, the people who suffer the most are the poor students in failing schools.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me.

    Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

    Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.
    If you think this is due to collective bargaining and not the socio-ecominic obstacles that have to be overcome by minority and special needs kids, you are niether as liberal or as knowledgeable as you think you are.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Another assertion without a link. Haymarket! How 'bout doing some legwork like the rest of us??

    Here's what the poster said:

    Link to Walker. Please.
    I explained when I reprinted the story that it was from a political subscription service. But you can find dozens of the same stories of the events by simply googling. If I gave you a link you would be blocked because you are not.... special.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well I guess I was assumed that you were politically aware enough to understand the context. I won't make that mistake again.



    Please, turn off the partisan rhetoric. FYI I'm a liberal Democrat living in one of the most liberal cities in America, so that shtick isn't going to work on me. And there is absolutely nothing progressive about policies that favor archaic dinosaurs like unions, at the expense of the most vulnerable members of society: Poor students in inner cities, who are mostly minorities, who mostly come from uneducated families, and who have little hope for a better future unless our schools are fundamentally reformed.

    Standing in the way of helping THEM so that we can provide teachers with nearly total job security is disgusting.
    Anytime someone posts something that you're either ignorant of or aren't willing to accept, you call them talking points/partisan rhetoric. Also, it's possible for two liberals to disagree on something. I come from a family of teachers and principals who grew up in inner-city schools and taught/were principals in inner-city schools. I've probably seen firsthand what goes on in and around inner city schools more than you have or ever will. You have proved over and over again in this thread, particularly in your exchange with Catwaba that you are painfully unaware of the complex problems in the education system.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And you think that they are immune to influence...
    the hundreds of teachers i've worked with, their influences?

    LOL!

    they're influenced, alright

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    just like the teachers who are immune to the influence of districts who encourage them to inflate grades or be fired?
    inflate grades or be what?

    LOL!

    you really gotta rub people the wrong way for quite a while just to get a letter placed in your file
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Which is BS. The Teachers Union had already agreed to ALL of the monetary concessions. What this is really about is the Koch Brothers' influence over the Governor, who is breaking the unions, while lying that it is all about being fiscally responsible.
    The Koch Brothers are interested in busting the public employee unions? really?

    Pray tell, what do they have to gain by that?

    BTW, collective bargaining isn't a right. If it were, everyone would have it; even corporations. Yes, that's right, corporations, too.
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