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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This line, right here, just proved and solidified your lack of knowledge on the subject. Those students and their schools are HUGE corporate interests. Many of the ineffective policies government passes in education are passed because their corporate friends have an interest in their learning materials being put in such schools. They also have an interest in placing their unhealthy food/drink products in school cafeterias since parents in these neighborhoods don't protest against it like they do in the suburbs. Corporations also have a huge interest in charter schools since limitations that may apply to their influence in non-charter public schools don't apply. You can just do a quick search on google to see how interested corporations are in schools.

    Just like media, prisons and everything else in society, corporations go where they can make money.
    If you are really describing a poor minority student in inner-city DC as a "corporate interest," then I can only conclude that you don't understand what the word "interest" means in the context. It's referring to an "interest group" or lobbying organization...not someone that a corporation is interested in.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As I have already said they have pushed for smaller class size and longer instruction time, and another I just remembered, special programs for special needs kids, all of these have been proven successful in public and private schools alike. Because you refuse to see that does not prove your case.
    And as I already explained, those are perfect examples of things that benefit the teachers' unions THEMSELVES. Of course they're going to support those. What I *asked* for - and what you keep ignoring - is an example of an education reform the teachers' unions have willingly supported which DOESN'T also line their own pockets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    You don't have to outlaw elections to control them, all you have to do is remove the big money competition, unless you are of the impression that its not the case that whichever side can provide the biggest money in elections win.
    Unions are HUGE donors to elections. Poorly-educated, inner-city minority students? Not so much.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Many of the ineffective policies government passes in education are passed because their corporate friends have an interest in their learning materials being put in such schools.
    nonsense, texts are selected by panels of administrators, teachers and parents, they are written to be sold to teachers' and admins' preferences

    They also have an interest in placing their unhealthy food/drink products in school cafeterias since parents in these neighborhoods don't protest against it like they do in the suburbs.
    coke machines, chips?

    pardon me, but LOL!

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nonsense, texts are selected by panels of administrators, teachers and parents, they are written to be sold to teachers' and admins' preferences



    coke machines, chips?

    pardon me, but LOL!
    Please stop.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you are really describing a poor minority student in inner-city DC as a "corporate interest," then I can only conclude that you don't understand what the word "interest" means in the context. It's referring to an "interest group" or lobbying organization...not someone that a corporation is interested in.
    I didn't misunderstand. You said interest and not interest group. Regardless the point still stands, low-income minority students and their schools are a corporate interest and the those corporations love the Republican Party and hate unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't have to outlaw elections to control them
    thank goodness

    LOL!

    all you have to do is remove the big money competition
    go for it

    good luck

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So I will take that as you really don't have a clue about the Bush record that you were complaining about then support full collective bargaining rights for Public Employees that even the Federal Public Employee unions don't have. It doesn't appear that you know what the bill in Wisconsin actually eliminates just like most of the protesters there.
    I'm not going to argue with you. You've proven yourself incapable.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And as I already explained, those are perfect examples of things that benefit the teachers' unions THEMSELVES. Of course they're going to support those. What I *asked* for - and what you keep ignoring - is an example of an education reform the teachers' unions have willingly supported which DOESN'T also line their own pockets.
    Your opinion simply doesn't hold up to the demonstrated value to students for these efforts.



    Unions are HUGE donors to elections. Poorly-educated, inner-city minority students? Not so much.
    Exactly my point, without the huge donations by unions to elections, there is nothing to balance out the big money from corporations. It is how corporate control begins.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Please stop.
    texts are selected by panels of teachers, admins and parents, they are written to be sold to those preferences

    sorry

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you.
    whatever floats your boat

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