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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Whatever you've experienced in two years when Americans were finally guaranteed a fair shot at healthcare will be nothing compared to what I experienced for 8 years under an incompetent president who threw away my tax dollars on fruitless ventures.
    Right, when you get a real job let us all know for what I see here are liberal talking points of someone who buys what they are told but only from the left. Wonder what it is about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty. I suggest you educate yourself by getting the actual Bush facts from bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Dept. I guarantee you that you won't see numbers like we have today from the Obama Administration so I can see why you support Unions and this Administration.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    How many times are people going to fall for the Elites and their divide and conquer tactics like this union issue?

    Can you see its one in a long laundry list of tactics to get Americans fighting among themselves, while the rich bankers rape you?

    Becks slander of Ron Paul supporters as "nutty" and Beck's slander of MLK and liberal activists calling them "Marxists" right out of the 50's Red Scare, divide the working class handbook.
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    The working class is not the enemy.

    The Elites and the government, working in collusion, to deregulate big business, in fact, torpedoed our economy.
    Not fascism?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    meanwhile our STATES are dying

    NOW

    it's mostly comprised of two things---pensions and medicaid

    you've got the unions of wisconsin EAGER to CUT their bennies and UP their pay-ins

    you've got the gubs of deep blue new york and california, the mayors of massachusetts, all saying the same thing---CUT

    you've got new jersey, as blue as it gets

    ohio, illinois, michigan---the belly of the swing electorate

    everywhere everyone is SLASHING

    public employees are SCAPEGOATED---not a good place to be, politically (hello)

    how we got here?

    that's a big part of it

    mom and pop know, and they resent it

    two point five tril of unfunded public TRUST in the shape of public pensions alone

    on top of the two point seven tril of bernanke pump, qe, obligated into pure undiversified junk

    the deficit, the president punting, his budget released last month brazenly INCREASING borrowing by a whopping thirty percent

    the stimulus, which obscene s-word the party in power can no longer pronounce, another near trillion

    obamacare levies more than three quarters of a tril in new taxes

    the gao found last week that another full half trillion is wasted, utterly vanished, in duplicative programs, never reviewed---how much of it ISN'T political payback at some level?

    the muni market is collapsed, states are not gonna be able to refi

    property taxes are thru the basement of our broken down housing

    mom and pop perceive---govt, govt, govt

    and it just aint PAYIN

    big picture, baby

    if the anti union movement is such a loser, so unpopular, why are cuomo and moonbeam (and coming along very soon, rahm in chicago) going so extreme

    why is michael moore in madison while obama searches for his comfortable shoes

    it appears THEY don't believe rasmussen (founder of espn, by the way)

    stay up

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And I agree whole heartedly, but to say we're on the road to Fascism is a bit of a stretch in my opinon and hyperbolic. People still have the right, to have those rights restored through popular vote and always will.

    I hope you are right. Perhaps it is my German ancestery that makes me nervous when corporations are in the position of having greater influence over the elections that you count on to protect you. My ancestors found that was a mistake in the end (but by then, it was too late).
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I see that you moved the goal posts from teachers to teacher's union.
    Wrong. My original request was:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Name one worthwhile education reform that teachers' unions have supported in the last 30 years, aside from those that directly benefited the teachers' union itself.
    Nice try though!

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    You provide a right wing oped and expect serous consideration? Get real!
    He cites raw data from the NAEP website, which is a nonpartisan arm of the federal government. Like I said, don't take his word for it, look at the data yourself. The fact that you continue to attack the messenger - who didn't do anything other than call attention to statistics produced by the federal government itself - shows that you don't have much of an argument to stand on. Especially when it's followed by the statement that you don't NEED to look at the data because you already know the truth.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    By removing the public unions, you are weakening the private union's ability to provide that balance against corporate interest.
    you're so dogmatic, you're just lost

    public unions don't leverage against any corporate interest

    they instead negotiate with representatives of the taxpayers

    hello

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Public and private unions work together to provide a balance against corporate interest. By removing the public unions, you are weakening the private union's ability to provide that balance against corporate interest.
    Yeah, those poor minority students in failing inner-city schools are "corporate interests." How dare anyone care about their academic progress, when there are more important things like making sure that no teacher ever gets fired under any circumstance, no matter how incompetent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    It seems to me to be the wrong time to be giving up citizen's rights.
    I agree, which is why we need to protect the right of all Americans to have a decent education, and the right of all Americans to get the most efficient public services from their government possible...even in the face of labor corporations that are working against those goals.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, when you get a real job let us all know for what I see here are liberal talking points of someone who buys what they are told but only from the left. Wonder what it is about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty. I suggest you educate yourself by getting the actual Bush facts from bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Dept. I guarantee you that you won't see numbers like we have today from the Obama Administration so I can see why you support Unions and this Administration.
    You have no idea about my job history and no idea about where I get my information and it's telling that you are incapable of arguing about ideas without calling a person's personal life into question. It's all telling that you can't grasp the fact that people can disagree with you while also being knowledgeable about a subject. It's also telling that you link support of unions with no job experiences as if teachers, police officers and other union members aren't working on real jobs. You treat people like you have a God complex. Get over yourself.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yeah, those poor minority students in failing inner-city schools are "corporate interests." How dare anyone care about their education progress, when there are more important things like making sure that no teacher ever gets fired, no matter how incompetent.
    Do you actually know nothing of the unions role in politics, or are you just playing dumb in this post?



    I agree, which is why we need to protect the right of all Americans to have a decent education, and the right of all Americans to get the most efficient public services from their government possible...even in the face of labor corporations that are working against those goals.
    No one's right to decent education is threatened, until you remove the rights of citizens to bargain collectively on their behalf.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one's right to decent education is threatened, until you remove the rights of citizens to bargain collectively on their behalf.
    bargain against whom?

    the fascists?

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