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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Getting rid of unions has been the first step in preparation for fascist control in every instance in history that I've read about.
    I don't think the governor of Wisconsin is in any position to force a Fascist takeover... and fascist takeover of what exactly? The State? The Country? His Living Room?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    It starts with rigorous evaluations -- the kind that many AFT unions are negotiating with their school district counterparts through the collective bargaining process. The next step is a time-limited, but real, improvement and support plan for teachers who need help -- also developed and implemented through labor-management cooperation. The final step is a hearing or adjudication process. All of this ensures that, within a finite period of time, teachers will be evaluated regularly based on agreed-upon standards of what they should know and be able to do, will receive help if they fall short of those standards, and will be removed from the classroom fairly and efficiently if they simply aren't cutting it.
    that's exactly what goes on in every school district i've worked for the last 27 years, except for the fair and efficient removals

    well, come to think of it, the half dozen removals i've witnessed have after all been bend-over-backwards fair

    to the teacher

    but certainly not efficient
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Americans do not give in so easily to fascism as you may think. I would not count us out just yet.
    I think this power grab by Gov. Walker, would bomerang and bite him and the Winconsin senators in the ass. There are recall efforts and three of them have a good chance of passing. There are Republicans who do not agree with tactics of the Governor.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Americans do not give in so easily to fascism as you may think. I would not count us out just yet.
    Wisconsin has a labor force of 2.5 million with 15% belonging to a union or about 400k. Don't think that the 2.1 million others are excited about the benefits that they are funding for these people.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I think this power grab by Gov. Walker, would bomerang and bite him and the Winconsin senators in the ass. There are recall efforts and three of them have a good chance of passing. There are Republicans who do not agree with tactics of the Governor.
    As I just reported Wisconsin has a labor force of 2.5 million with 400,000 union employees that the taxpayers of Wisconsin are funding. Don't think that the 2.1 million non union employees have a lot of empathy for these 400,000 union employees. The taxpayers of Wisconsin won this one.

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t05.htm
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I don't think the governor of Wisconsin is in any position to force a Fascist takeover... and fascist takeover of what exactly? The State? The Country? His Living Room?
    Now Jet, I did not say Fascist takeover, now did I? However, I am not also oblivious to Citizens Unitied decision together with a nationwide effort to bust collecive bargaining provides exactly the kind of conditions necessary for greater corporate control of our political system, which would be more fascist in nature.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Now Jet, I did not say Fascist takeover, now did I? However, I am not also oblivious to Citizens Unitied decision together with a nationwide effort to bust collecive bargaining provides exactly the kind of conditions necessary for greater corporate control of our political system, which would be more fascist in nature.
    That would be true if it spoke to Private Unions, which in this case it isn't especially in the case of the Wisconsin governor...

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Americans do not give in so easily to fascism as you may think.
    fascism---LOL!

    what a political loser that is

    a hundred miles to the LEFT of barack hussein obama

    talk about a splinter

    more like a crumb

    party on, petrograd

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That would be true if it spoke to Private Unions, which in this case it isn't especially in the case of the Wisconsin governor...
    Public and private unions work together to provide a balance against corporate interest. By removing the public unions, you are weakening the private union's ability to provide that balance against corporate interest. Citizens United also give corporate interests greater opportunity to overcome that balance.

    It seems to me to be the wrong time to be giving up citizen's rights.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Public and private unions work together to provide a balance against corporate interest. By removing the public unions, you are weakening the private union's ability to provide that balance against corporate interest. Citizens United also give corporate interests greater opportunity to overcome that balance.

    It seems to me to be the wrong time to be giving up citizen's rights.
    And I agree whole heartedly, but to say we're on the road to Fascism is a bit of a stretch in my opinon and hyperbolic. People still have the right, to have those rights restored through popular vote and always will.

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