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I simply said .. that a public union surely can be seen as funded by taxpayers dollars

Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.
 
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While that's true, it doesn't negate what he said. They get their money from "public employees". "United States Citizens, who happen to be public employees" are included under the umbrella of "public employees".


And in Conservative land that is funding eh?
 
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Regan brought down the top tax rate from 70 to 38 percent. If it was raised back to 70 percent, where it really should be, the increased taxes would easily balance the budget with enough left over to pay back some of the national debt.

If the top 2 percent were real patriots, not just aimless, selfish hedonists, they would gladly give back the largess gift and squeak by on a measly 3 to 6 million a year.

ricksfolly

By the very same token, if those people that have been living off welfare all their lives, were to get off their lazy good for nothing butts .. and become contributing members of society rather then doing their best to help drag it down, then perhaps we wouldn't have to tax the wealthy, at such an unreasonable rate of 70%

For the life of me, I fail to understand most liberal thinking in this area, those that worked to succeed and achieve the American dream, are vilified by the left, while those that live off the system of welfare in this country as seen the “good” citizens, that deserve more.
 
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And in Conservative land that is funding eh?

You can extend that definition to anything, yes.
When you buy a product made by a company, you are approving of their product, helping fund their works and inevitably, going to pay some of their workers.
 
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This has been explained to you over and over again, a waste of time.


Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.
 
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Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.

Public unions get their money from public employees. Yes? Yes.
Public employees get paid wages. Yes? Yes.
Do those wages come from tax dollars? Yes? Yes.
Thus, public unions get their money from public employees, who are funded by the taxpayers. Without tax dollars, they would be out of a wage and a job.
 
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Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.

-chuckles- well if you can't see it .. then you can't see it .. there is no sense in trying to convince you of something that you don't want to see .
 
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maryland is about as blue as it gets, outside the northeast and california, it is probably the most democratic state in the union

people like me, so satisfied on tsunami tuesday, were frustrated by the terrapins, omalley beat former gub ehrlich by 6, we took only MD1, the more upscale eastern shore, frank kratovil

only my state of CA resisted the november wave more strongly than maryland

still, yesterday:

Thousands of union members rallied before the State House on Monday night, vowing to protect their employee pensions and public school funding. Protesters filled Lawyer’s Mall, immediately in front of the State House, where they stood among the shrubs planted in front of the governor’s mansion and packed Bladen Street. Taking part were members of the state’s largest unions, including the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the Maryland State Education Association, which represents teachers. They rang bells, banged plastic thunder sticks and chanted “Keep the promise.”

Gov. Martin O’Malley has proposed changes to address a troubling $19 billion in unfunded pension liabilities and $16 billion in retiree health liabilities. It would require increased contributions from state employees. “This is the guy that likes you, and look what he’s doing to you,” said Thomas Corkran, a retired corrections maintenance officer, who spent 21 years teaching Maryland inmates to do repairs on state buildings.

O’Malley, a Democrat, also cut $94 million from the state’s public schools in the budget plan he submitted to the General Assembly in January. Those moves brought a mix of long-time state workers and teachers pouring in along Bladen Street Monday night.

But when cast against Wisconsin — where Republican lawmakers stripped collective bargaining rights for state workers — and states considering similar measures, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka lauded O’Malley. “Unlike the other places, like Wisconsin and Ohio, that are trying to destroy the workers’ right to sit down and collectively bargain this governor understands us,” said, in an interview before the rally. When asked why he was joining in the protest against O’Malley and the Legislature, which is overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats, Trumka said it was “part of the process.”

Thousands of Maryland union workers rally against governor's plan » Evansville Courier & Press

good luck, seeya in springfield

psst, y'know who's next?

the new mayor of c-h-i-c-a-g-o
 
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Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.

Tell me where the public unions get their funding if not from the union employees?
 
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Tell me where the public unions get their funding if not from the union employees?

They get their money from the MEMBERS of the Union that they belong to, not necessarily local that they belong to. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters for instance, has many Three Conferences; among the conferences are a bunch of locals, each local can be divided up by the type of workers they represent.

So tell me, if someone who works for ABF freight, when he pays his monthly union dues is he/she funding Yellow freight system, big competitors in the LTL freight segment?
 
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They get their money from the MEMBERS of the Union that they belong to, not necessarily local that they belong to. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters for instance, has many Three Conferences; among the conferences are a bunch of locals, each local can be divided up by the type of workers they represent.

So tell me, if someone who works for ABF freight, when he pays his monthly union dues is he/she funding Yellow freight system, big competitors in the LTL freight segment?

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic and the Wisconsin public service union? You don't seem to understand what a public vs. private sector union is? How many Wisconsin public service union employees are represented byt he UAW or Teamsters?
 
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Except, the top bracket doesn't include only people earning millions, but anything 375k or above.
I give nearly as much money to charity as I do in taxes and I don't earn millions. I am not selfish at all.

I don't think you are selfish, but I know the taxes are not as progressive as they used to be. Obama proposed in his 2012 budget, moving the tax rates up about 4% for individuals making more than $200,000, which is more than twice the median income in the country, and he also proposed special tax cuts for businesses.

Unless we address both our revenue and our spending problems, we will continue to have unmanageable debt, IMO.
 
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What does any of that have to do with the thread topic and the Wisconsin public service union? ?


I’m trying to get to the bottom of this statement that you made to randel in post #962
“Fact unions do tell people how to spend some of their money and that money is union dues which come from the taxpayers in the form of salary, get it yet?
“ and it kinda morfped into what it is.

We can clear it up as soon as you quit ducking and bobbing and answer a question or two.:2wave:
 
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I don't think you are selfish, but I know the taxes are not as progressive as they used to be. Obama proposed in his 2012 budget, moving the tax rates up about 4% for individuals making more than $200,000, which is more than twice the median income in the country, and he also proposed special tax cuts for businesses.

Unless we address both our revenue and our spending problems, we will continue to have unmanageable debt, IMO.

If we cut everything I disagree with in the budget, expand those areas I agree with, and we STILL can't pay our bills, then fine, raise my taxes.
Until that time, I will help the people who actually need it myself. The US is not a nanny state. I completely believe in a progressive tax code. I believe in helping others. I do not believe in wasteful spending or holding everyone's hand.
 
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Oh, that's just silly. #1 -- I don't think the GOP is working against the American worker. #2 -- It would be counter-productive to do so....in fact, ridiculous to do so...since, for the most part, if Middle Class America can't buy your product, you're going to fail.

Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on in Wisconsin and other states? The GOP is clearly waging war on the middle class and the workers of America.
 
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If we cut everything I disagree with in the budget, expand those areas I agree with, and we STILL can't pay our bills, then fine, raise my taxes.
Until that time, I will help the people who actually need it myself. The US is not a nanny state. I completely believe in a progressive tax code. I believe in helping others. I do not believe in wasteful spending or holding everyone's hand.

What can be cut to make up for the trillions lost in revenues from the tax cuts for the wealthy that began in 1981?
 
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No, they are not. But you're sure trying very hard to get people to think that.
 
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The GOP is clearly waging war on the middle class and the workers of America.

tell it to cuomo, brown and omalley
 
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Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.

First lets remember we are only talking about public unions not private unions ..

But for the sake of argument, lets go along with your idea that the public union is not funded by the taxpayer. If that is the case then I guess everyone saying that Walker is trying to destroy the unions, is a complete outright lie.

It's simple really, seeing Walker only controls the tax dollars generated by the state of Wisconsin, and the public unions are “NOT” funded by taxpayer's dollars, then there can be no possible way for Walker to even try to destroy the union simply because Walker has absolutely no control over the funding of that union.

You can accuse him of attempting to lower the wages and benefits of Wisconsin state/city workers, but you cannot accuse him of trying to break the union, because if the union “ISN'T” funded by taxpayer's dollars, and it's only taxpayer's dollars that Walker controls. he is powerless to break the union.

In fact with your reasoning, seeing the union isn't funded by the taxpayer, then Walker could fire every unionized city/state worker, and the union should continue to thrive.
 
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I’m trying to get to the bottom of this statement that you made to randel in post #962 “ and it kinda morfped into what it is.

We can clear it up as soon as you quit ducking and bobbing and answer a question or two.:2wave:

this thread pertains to public unions. you need to keep the proper context in mind, we shouldn't have to clarify with each post that we are not discussing private unions.
 
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What can be cut to make up for the trillions lost in revenues from the tax cuts for the wealthy that began in 1981?

-chuckles- First off we need to drag you kicking and screaming if necessary out of the 1980's … you said it enough times, that I think everyone here at dp knows where you think the problem came from. We no longer need to hear what you think caused the problem, as you have used it in every other post.

I can show you how we could increase revenues by about 200 billion dollars without raising our tax rate even 1% …. and really think it would pass both houses can you show where we could cut spending by half of that, that would pass both houses?
 
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First lets remember we are only talking about public unions not private unions ..

But for the sake of argument, lets go along with your idea that the public union is not funded by the taxpayer. If that is the case then I guess everyone saying that Walker is trying to destroy the unions, is a complete outright lie.

It's simple really, seeing Walker only controls the tax dollars generated by the state of Wisconsin, and the public unions are “NOT” funded by taxpayer's dollars, then there can be no possible way for Walker to even try to destroy the union simply because Walker has absolutely no control over the funding of that union.

You can accuse him of attempting to lower the wages and benefits of Wisconsin state/city workers, but you cannot accuse him of trying to break the union, because if the union “ISN'T” funded by taxpayer's dollars, and it's only taxpayer's dollars that Walker controls. he is powerless to break the union.

In fact with your reasoning, seeing the union isn't funded by the taxpayer, then Walker could fire every unionized city/state worker, and the union should continue to thrive.

In my opinion, the only way taxpayer dollars fund the public sector unions that cover teachers in Wisconsin is through the union's wholly-owned insurance company that provides health coverage for 2/3 of teachers in Wisconsin. That mandatory insurance carrier was bargained into union contracts. That's changed now. With the new legislation, there will be competition, and municipalities are confident this will result in significant savings.

If that particular scheme is what you're talking about, then I would agree with you that unions are partially funded by taxpayer dollars.

If you are saying that their union dues are taxpayer dollars, then I disagree. Teachers are paid a salary. Once that salary is in their hands, it's their money.

Oops. Here's the link for information about the union's enforced health plan: http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/117911244.html
 
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Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on in Wisconsin and other states? The GOP is clearly waging war on the middle class and the workers of America.

Makes a nice Yankee Doodle sound byte, but I don't agree that's the case. The GOP is trying to get a handle on the cost of their public sector compensation plans. Public sector union membership is around 6% of our population. To say they represent the middle class and the workers of America, while that may be the wet dream of union bosses, is untrue.

(This is the GOP way....the Democrats' way is to raise taxes 67.5% as they just did in Illinois. Yeah, that serves the middle class and workers of America. Serves them on a platter.
 
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Michigan legislators have approved a bill authorizing state-appointed emergency financial managers to break union contracts that struggling cities and school districts have with their workers.

Following up on the state Senate’s passage of the bill last week, the House passed the bill 62-48 on Tuesday, sending the legislation to Republican Gov. Rick Snyder for final approval. Snyder, who asked for the expanded powers for emergency financial managers, is expected to sign the bill into law.

Supporters say the bill gives the state a way to step into distressed municipalities and schools before they collapse. It also gives emergency financial managers broad authority to end employee union contracts, and to nullify elected boards and councils.

The bill’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Al Pscholka, said Tuesday that it would give the state the power it needs to dig important institutions out of financial holes. “For years we have allowed cities and schools to be on the verge of bankruptcy without any intervention,” he told Reuters. “When the state finally does arrive, in many cases we find the financial records in disarray and leave emergency managers with very few good options to balance the books.”

Democrats, meanwhile, consider the bill part of a broader attack on public sector unions and on collective bargaining that has also been the subject of debate in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and elsewhere.

Michigan passes 'financial martial law' bill - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com
 
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