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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    we'll both be dead and none of it will matter.
    no wonder liberals got so seriously shellacked

    meanwhile, public pensions AT THE STATE LEVEL ALONE are a full TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS underwater

    debate THAT

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Interesting. Why do they have to be there to represent their electorate? Why can't choosing no to be there be a way to represent their electorate?
    Wonder if their constituents agree with them missing votes on state legislation. Sounds a lot to me like no representation on the part of a lot of Wisconsin citizens.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Such is life.
    Great news for the Wisconsin Taxpayers

    Wis. State Assembly Approves Bill Stripping Unions' Collective Bargaining Rights

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Wonder if their constituents agree with them missing votes on state legislation. Sounds a lot to me like no representation on the part of a lot of Wisconsin citizens.
    Well given that the outcome would have been the same either way, and at least this way the Democrats were able to delay the legislation and bring it to national attention, I'm sure their constituents are quite pleased. I would say that Walker's incredible drop in polls and the 65% rejection of his actions by the public of Wisconsin according to conservative polls, are further evidence of that, but I imagine the final tally will be clear after the recall elections.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Well given that the outcome would have been the same either way, and at least this way the Democrats were able to delay the legislation and bring it to national attention, I'm sure their constituents are quite pleased. I would say that Walker's incredible drop in polls and the 65% rejection of his actions by the public of Wisconsin according to conservative polls, are further evidence of that, but I imagine the final tally will be clear after the recall elections.
    Do you live in Wisconsin? The people there will have a chance to change directions again in 4 years. by that time we will see if the budget is better and jobs are being created. Those issues alone will change the poll numbers.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The officials (Democrats) who support the unions (like the AFT) were elected just like the officials (Republicans) who support corporations (like horrible employer Wal-Mart) were elected.

    Some of the public does want unions because...SURPRISE...union members are part of the public.
    The appropriate counterweight to elected officials is other elected officials. Not undemocratic institutions. If the people of Wisconsin are so eager to overpay public workers and are satisfied with the status quo in education, then they can vote for people in the next election who promise to do those things. But they don't need an unelected union to do so, they just need a majority of their legislature and the governorship.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no wonder liberals got so seriously shellacked

    meanwhile, public pensions AT THE STATE LEVEL ALONE are a full TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS underwater

    debate THAT
    It's called keeping the bigger picture so you don't get lost in petty little article competitions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The appropriate counterweight to elected officials is other elected officials. Not undemocratic institutions.
    This must be a joke. You brought in Iran? What's next? Are you going to call me Hitler?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Great news for the Wisconsin Taxpayers

    Wis. State Assembly Approves Bill Stripping Unions' Collective Bargaining Rights
    I'm crying. Oh wait...I forgot, this isn't a tyranny. We can change things.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Name one worthwhile education reform that teachers' unions have supported in the last 30 years, aside from those that directly benefited the teachers' union itself. And I'm not talking about grudgingly accepting certain reforms to avoid even more far-reaching reforms...I'd like to know one that they actually WANT, which doesn't benefit them personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Going to play the liberal game here, show me a link where union negotiations, were about any of the things you listed in your post
    "Collective bargaining is a vehicle to improve services -- whether in education or other areas -- and it would hurt both workers and those they serve if that important right was lost.

    For example, I recently proposed a way to strengthen teaching, by aligning comprehensive teacher evaluations with systems of due process. The proposal lays out a fair and expedient process to identify, improve and -- if necessary -- remove ineffective teachers.

    It starts with rigorous evaluations -- the kind that many AFT unions are negotiating with their school district counterparts through the collective bargaining process. The next step is a time-limited, but real, improvement and support plan for teachers who need help -- also developed and implemented through labor-management cooperation. The final step is a hearing or adjudication process. All of this ensures that, within a finite period of time, teachers will be evaluated regularly based on agreed-upon standards of what they should know and be able to do, will receive help if they fall short of those standards, and will be removed from the classroom fairly and efficiently if they simply aren't cutting it.

    We have begun working with administrators and others to fine-tune this proposal, with the goal of implementing it in schools and school districts quickly. And the best way to do this will be through the collective bargaining process, with frontline educators and school administrators sharing responsibility for this important undertaking.

    This is but one example of the improvements that have come about in our schools by giving classroom educators a voice, and a vehicle through which to strengthen teaching and learning. From adapting the school day or year to allow for more instructional time, to maintaining reasonable class size to maximize that time, to securing wraparound services that ensure students' basic needs are met -- teachers and their unions are using the collective bargaining process in ways that help kids, boost the teaching profession and promote the public good.

    In the end, it's a question of what kind of country we want. Do we want a country in which individuals are powerless, and hard-working people are denied the ability to earn decent wages and benefits? Americans resoundingly say "no." Yet attacks on workers, their unions and their rights continue to spread. Unlike a Colbert monologue, denying the ability of working people to improve services and secure a better life is no laughing matter."
    Randi Weingarten: Workers' Rights and the Public Good
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