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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How about you're not an attorney? How about letting the courts decide? Oh, wait, that's much to democratic. Let's settle it in the streets.
    Exactly my point. This is far from being a done deal.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As it was a bi-partisan committee meeting, that rules out your first excuse. And because nothing prevented notice (except unwillingness), your second excuse does not apply either.
    Nothing prevented normal notice other than the inconvenient fact that the Dems were hidden away in another state like thieves.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The Republicans in Wisconsin really evoked class warfare. They cut taxes for the wealthiest and then stripped the collective bargaining rights and political representation of public workers. That just amazes me since I always feel it is the Democrats who are evoking class warfare on the Republicans.
    You know what evokes class warfare? Teachers' unions - which are dominated by middle-class, college-educated white people - consistently opposing valuable education reforms for poor, inner-city minority students.

    Can we please stop pretending that teachers' unions represent the little guy, fighting the good fight against The Man? Teachers' unions ARE The Man. They take advantage of the poor.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nothing prevented normal notice other than the inconvenient fact that the Dems were hidden away in another state like thieves.

    You keep ignoring the presence of Democrat Rep. Barca, and you ignore that the Democrats were in daily communication with the administration.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know what evokes class warfare? Teachers' unions - which are dominated by middle-class, college-educated white people - consistently opposing valuable education reforms for poor, inner-city minority students.

    Can we please stop pretending that teachers' unions represent the little guy, fighting the good fight against The Man? Teachers' unions ARE The Man.
    You are misinformed. Teachers use their collective bargaining rights to improve reform and funding to address poor, inner-city minority students. Because the priority has been for other things such as corporate welfare, is not the fault of the educators. Without collective bargaining, education will be at the mercy of whatever the corporate elected officials decide it should be.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You keep ignoring the presence of Democrat Rep. Barca, and you ignore that the Democrats were in daily communication with the administration.
    Unfortunately for you, the Wisconsin Senate Chief Clerk, Rob Merchant, disagrees with you. He sent a notice out today saying, "[T]he notice appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes,".

    Majority Leader Fitzgerald sent out the following notice:

    Tonight's Conference Committee was properly noticed. From the Senate Chief Clerk, Rob Marchant:

    FYI . . .

    There was some discussion today about the notice provided for the legislature's conference committee. In special session, under Senate Rule 93, no advance notice is required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board. Despite this rule, it was decided to provide a 2 hour notice by posting on the bulletin board. My staff, as a courtesy, emailed a copy of the notice to all legisaltive offices at 4:10, which gave the impression that the notice may have been slightly less than 2 hours. Either way, the notice appears to have satisfied the requirements of the rules and statutes.

    I thought you might find this information to be useful.

    Thanks.

    Rob

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know what evokes class warfare? Teachers' unions - which are dominated by middle-class, college-educated white people - consistently opposing valuable education reforms for poor, inner-city minority students.

    Can we please stop pretending that teachers' unions represent the little guy, fighting the good fight against The Man? Teachers' unions ARE The Man. They take advantage of the poor.
    Who told you that?

    Also, AFT - A Union of Professionals - Why Teacher Unions Are Good for Teachers and the Public It's article by Diane Ravitch, who worked under George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. She is highly respected. You should read it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative
    ...protesters doing millions of dollars in damage to the state capitol says it all about how childish liberals are.
    and you just swallowed the 'fair and balanced' network' rhetoric lock, stock and barrel...LOL



    Let's see what a Wisconsin expert had to say...


    One day before the eye-popping damage estimate came out, a Madison historic preservation expert posted a blog item praising the conduct of the protesters.

    The protesters "have adopted an ownership ethic in the building, treating it with the utmost care and respect," wrote Jason Tish, executive director of the Madison Trust for Historic Preservation and a local field representative for the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

    He called the demonstrators "evangelistic about their respect for the building."

    [...]

    Tish, the preservationist/blogger, returned for a look that same day.

    "The extent of what I saw today is just chips and nicks -- cosmetic damage," he said in an interview. "I don’t see how they (protesters) could have conducted themselves any better."

    An estimate from the people that are actually in charge of the facility...

    The same day, the state provided a different memo, from Peter Maternowski, deputy administrator of the Division of State Facilities. It was written that day, addressed to Huebsch.

    That memo said the cleanup would cost $347,500 if the work did not require a historic preservation specialist. That’s 20 times less than the original claim.
    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin officials claim cleaning up the state Capitol will cost $7.5 million
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are misinformed. Teachers use their collective bargaining rights to improve reform and funding to address poor, inner-city minority students.
    Name one worthwhile education reform that teachers' unions have supported in the last 30 years, aside from those that directly benefited the teachers' union itself. And I'm not talking about grudgingly accepting certain reforms to avoid even more far-reaching reforms...I'd like to know one that they actually WANT, which doesn't benefit them personally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    Because the priority has been for other things such as corporate welfare, is not the fault of the educators. Without collective bargaining, education will be at the mercy of whatever the corporate elected officials decide it should be.
    Imagine that, public policy will be at the mercy of what elected officials want. I think that's called democracy.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Name one worthwhile education reform that teachers' unions have supported in the last 30 years, aside from those that directly benefited the teachers' union itself. And I'm not talking about grudgingly accepting certain reforms to avoid even more far-reaching reforms...I'd like to know one that they actually WANT, which doesn't benefit them personally.



    Imagine that, public policy will be at the mercy of what elected officials want. I think that's called democracy.
    Democrats are elected officials too.

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