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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    What if the shoe was on the other foot, and republicans felt they could simply up and leave a democratic vote whenever they wished?

    What a joke this has become. Now the union protestors have stormed the capitol; all because those same democrats wouldn't partake in a legit democratic process.

    Fine, screw it. Whenever republicans disagree with a proposed vote let them flee for 3 weeks and then complain about their manuever being outmanueverd.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'm really over the whole condescending question thing. You can no longer claim that ignorance is responsible for my point of view. It's funny how difficult it is for you to grasp that people can have two different ideas on the same reality.
    Democrats leaving the state and protesters doing millions of dollars in damage to the state capitol says it all about how childish liberals are. The reality is, elections have consequences according to "your" President and one of those consequences in Wisconsin is the Republicans gaining control. Instead of accepting that and participating in the debate politicans ran and protesters from all over the country decended on the Capitol inflicting damage and acting like the spoiled children they are.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    54% in favor of repeal - March 7th . . . This one seems to be the most current. Gallup's most recent is from January...and it also has more people favoring repeal than keeping it.

    As the topic has been less of a focus the number has been dropping, but my comment still applies to October through December of last year when it was at its peak. I saw many of the left leaning people in this thread posting then, I don't remember then proclaiming then that we must follow what the polls say.

    Its one thing ot suggest that the public doesn't want him doing this. If you don't argue that "polls can be skewed" when a poll you dislike is put forward, then you could definitely make that claim. However, to suggest he should not be doing this based almost singularly because the "people" IE the polls are against it is a rather single minded view, and one that is strangely seemingly only used when people have polls in their favor.


    Poll: Most Oppose Cutting Funding for Health Care Reforms


    I am not suggesting Walker shouldn't be doing this based solely on the polls. I am pointing out that he does not have voter support for this action. It is my guess that the vote in the illegal open meeting will be thrown out by the courts. And then there is the recall efforts underway by the Wisconsin voters.

    I wouldn't say this is over yet.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Basically, rage against the machine if things go against your socialistic-democratic view.

    Unions stripped 130 million dollars from taxpayers to fund Obama's campaign. No more. Not with taxpayer money. Same with NPR.

    Oh how the mask is lifted.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    The goal posts, you are moving them.

    You asked me to find A poll that was current and about repeal. Your counter to me doing just that is finding a different poll, from last month, that's about funding.

    Wow, that one deserves a slow clap.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Basically, rage against the machine if things go against your socialistic-democratic view.

    Unions stripped 130 million dollars from taxpayers to fund Obama's campaign. No more. Not with taxpayer money. Same with NPR.

    Oh how the mask is lifted.
    Another who feels our parents were socialists huh? Basically it is workers uniting against the onset of fascism. Although it is noted that many would willingly go along corporate rule.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The goal posts, you are moving them.

    You asked me to find A poll that was current and about repeal. Your counter to me doing just that is finding a different poll, from last month, that's about funding.

    Wow, that one deserves a slow clap.
    Defunding is is the only means left to get rid of health care reform, as repeal has been defeated.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Defunding is is the only means left to get rid of health care reform, as repeal has been defeated.
    You asked for a poll showing that Americans were for repeal and got that poll. Now you want to change the debate. Typical of you.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Defunding is is the only means left to get rid of health care reform, as repeal has been defeated.
    This is simply rationalizing your point by finding something different and making it fit. Which is kind of my point. For example, collective bargaining is what brought about the unfundable deals in the first place that is part of the financial crisis. Polls and election results before and after Walker being voted in showed WI voters were in favor of actions to fix the financial situation in their state. Fixing it in the short term is irrelevant if a problem will come back shortly thereafter. Thus, Walker is attempting to fight the cause not the symptom. As such, while voters dislike how he's doing it he's also doing what they asked based on polls and election results. Thus I could rationalize he IS doing the will of the people.

    That's the issue with polls as your main method of coming to a conclussion on this kind of stuff, there's always a different poll and a different way to view it.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    Poll: Most Oppose Cutting Funding for Health Care Reforms


    I am not suggesting Walker shouldn't be doing this based solely on the polls. I am pointing out that he does not have voter support for this action. It is my guess that the vote in the illegal open meeting will be thrown out by the courts. And then there is the recall efforts underway by the Wisconsin voters.

    I wouldn't say this is over yet.
    It wasn't illegal, that's just talking points.
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