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Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

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Catawba said:
And your documentation for that is what counselor? Your esteemed opinion?
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common sense seems to be greek to some of you libs

who is more likely to run up a credit card bill

a guy who doesn't have to pay the balance or some person who has to work a minimum wage job to do so?
 
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TurtleDude said:
common sense seems to be greek to some of you libs

who is more likely to run up a credit card bill

a guy who doesn't have to pay the balance or some person who has to work a minimum wage job to do so?
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Once again, plenty of BS but shy of any documentation whatsoever.

"When George W. Bush was sworn into office as president in January 2001, he inherited a record budget surplus. Five weeks later, he addressed a joint session of Congress, urging lawmakers to act swiftly on his signature campaign promise: $1.6 trillion in tax cuts.

"I hope you'll join me in standing firmly on the side of the people," the president said. "See, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I'm here asking for a refund."

Republicans cheered. But Democrats were deeply skeptical of a tax cut based on projections of a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years that, in fact, never came about. At the time, North Dakota's Kent Conrad was the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee."

""The tax cut is simply too big," he said. "No. 2, it is unfair. It goes primarily to the wealthiest among us. Forty percent of the benefit goes to the wealthiest 1 percent in this country."

And House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri had a dire warning: "This is a mistake that we will pay for for years to come!"

Nonetheless, Republicans pushed two big tax packages through Congress in 2001 and 2003. The measures cut marginal rates on personal income taxes. They gradually reduced the estate tax so it disappeared altogether this year. In 2003, they slashed taxes on dividends and capital gains. But to comply with budget and procedural rules, Republicans had to let all those cuts expire, most of them after 10 years. And that is why the clock is now ticking down to Dec. 31 — when tax rates will return to pre-tax cut levels unless Congress acts."
As Clock Ticks, Lawmakers Revisit Bush Tax Cuts : NPR
 
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Catawba said:
Once again, plenty of BS but shy of any documentation whatsoever.

"When George W. Bush was sworn into office as president in January 2001, he inherited a record budget surplus. Five weeks later, he addressed a joint session of Congress, urging lawmakers to act swiftly on his signature campaign promise: $1.6 trillion in tax cuts.

"I hope you'll join me in standing firmly on the side of the people," the president said. "See, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I'm here asking for a refund."

Republicans cheered. But Democrats were deeply skeptical of a tax cut based on projections of a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years that, in fact, never came about. At the time, North Dakota's Kent Conrad was the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee."

""The tax cut is simply too big," he said. "No. 2, it is unfair. It goes primarily to the wealthiest among us. Forty percent of the benefit goes to the wealthiest 1 percent in this country."

And House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri had a dire warning: "This is a mistake that we will pay for for years to come!"

Nonetheless, Republicans pushed two big tax packages through Congress in 2001 and 2003. The measures cut marginal rates on personal income taxes. They gradually reduced the estate tax so it disappeared altogether this year. In 2003, they slashed taxes on dividends and capital gains. But to comply with budget and procedural rules, Republicans had to let all those cuts expire, most of them after 10 years. And that is why the clock is now ticking down to Dec. 31 — when tax rates will return to pre-tax cut levels unless Congress acts."
As Clock Ticks, Lawmakers Revisit Bush Tax Cuts : NPR
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denial and avoidance tends to be all you have

your claims about 'trickle down' were unsupported
 
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lefties constantly whine about the rich not paying enough taxes (ie so the libs can continue to buy the votes of the masses without pissing them off by raising their taxes) yet the problem is that too many people have no incentive to stop runaway government spending
 
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TurtleDude said:
lefties constantly whine about the rich not paying enough taxes (ie so the libs can continue to buy the votes of the masses without pissing them off by raising their taxes) yet the problem is that too many people have no incentive to stop runaway government spending
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You excrete this crap a couple of times every day the way other people have routine physical functions.

The result is the same. You badly need to learn a new tune. Do you really think anybody pays any attention to this crap after reading it thousands of times and they know that all you have is your opinion to back it up? You may want to try elevating your game up to the actual level of debate of include some verifiable factual support to buttress the ideological proclamations of your right wing belief system.
 
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TurtleDude said:
common sense seems to be greek to some of you libs

who is more likely to run up a credit card bill

a guy who doesn't have to pay the balance or some person who has to work a minimum wage job to do so?
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You're asked for proof or links and reply with your usual three strings of nothing--meaningless notions, attacks you heard on right-wing radio.
 
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TurtleDude said:
denial and avoidance tends to be all you have

your claims about 'trickle down' were unsupported
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Again, totally unable to hold your own in any upstairs discussion. Go back to where insults and one line dismissals make you feel good.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Sadly you don't understand the economic damage the Public Sector Unions have done to the state, and why this measure is being used to curtail such largess in the future. They aren't doing it for today, they are doing it to save the state tomorrow.
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The voters don't need to be told that... they need to believe it
 
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hazlnut said:
In response to TurtleDude - Again, totally unable to hold your own in any upstairs discussion. Go back to where insults and one line dismissals make you feel good.
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Its quite alright, I haven't expected anything of TurtleDude's posts since not long after I arrived here and found that he never backs up any of his claims. It was my mistake for actually responding to one of his posts.
 
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Catawba said:
Its quite alright, I haven't expected anything of TurtleDude's posts since not long after I arrived here and found that he never backs up any of his claims. It was my mistake for actually responding to one of his posts.
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Indeed. One must fight the good fight just the same. Every time it is pointed out that the poster in question refuses to actually engage in constructive debate, that is a powerful statement. Every time it is pointed out that the poster in question refuses to support his beliefs and pontificating with verifiable data and evidence, that is a powerful statement. We can only hope - against all practical experience apparently - that it may cause him to actually engage in proper debate.
 
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TurtleDude said:
lefties constantly whine about the rich not paying enough taxes (ie so the libs can continue to buy the votes of the masses without pissing them off by raising their taxes) yet the problem is that too many people have no incentive to stop runaway government spending
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Us libs have plenty of interest in stopping runaway government spending, so lets start by stopping the creation of wars to further the financial gains of corporate america, lets stop paying $500.00 for a hammer, lets stop handing out no bid contracts
 
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apdst said:
Your bleating about some fantasy $93 thousand dollar tax credit, is what's irrational.
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Oh it's a fantasy now? Ok, buddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize your hypocritical stand. I'm sure you have proof that it's a fantasy, right? Maybe you can prove these people wrong:

Two Tax Cuts Primarily Benefiting Millionaires Slated To Take Effect In January — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The highly respected Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center reports that households with incomes of more than $1 million a year — the richest 0.2 percent of the U.S. population — already are receiving tax cuts averaging $103,000 this year, before these two new tax cuts take effect. The Tax Policy Center finds that the two tax-cut measures in question will give these “millionaires” nearly another $20,000 a year in tax cuts, when the measures are phased in fully.
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EarlzP said:
Us libs have plenty of interest in stopping runaway government spending, so lets start by stopping the creation of wars to further the financial gains of corporate america, lets stop paying $500.00 for a hammer, lets stop handing out no bid contracts
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No bid contracts have zero to do with spending levels.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
Oh it's a fantasy now? Ok, buddy. Whatever you need to tell yourself in order to rationalize your hypocriticaql stand. I'm sure you have proof that it's a fantasy, right? Maybe you can prove these people wrong:
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And, they're still paying 6 figure tax bills. What's the problem? How about you show how many Americans got a four figure tax refund last year?
 
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Guess you didn't get the memo. The war was voted on. Overwhelmingly so: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

Guess you didn't get the second memo. It's in Obamas hands now.
 (Just as soon our troops come home but it is what it is.)
 
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Candice Lynn said:
Guess you didn't get the memo. The war was voted on. Overwhelmingly so: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

The president praised the congressional action, declaring "America speaks with one voice."

Guess you didn't get the second memo. It's in Obamas hands now.
 (Just as soon our troops come home but it is what it is.)
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Yeah, but that's different. :rofl
 
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donc said:
In winger speak, that means they are succeeding in starving the beast. Cutting off state funds means less fed funds as well. WAHOO… in winger land it don’t get any better than that.

Less medical care=more poor people dying=less future care.
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How about starving out union funds for political contributions? Seems like a lot of political operatives may be here promoting unions. Wonder whY?

Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors
1990-2010

Democrats Republicans

American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $547,700

Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000

National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200

Service Employees International Union 26,368,470 98,700

Communication Workers of America 26,305,500 125,300

Service Employees International Union 26,252,000 1,086,200

Laborers Union 25,734,000 2,138,000

American Federation of Teachers 25,682,800 200,000

United Auto Workers 25,082,200 182,700

Teamsters Union 24,926,400 1,822,000

Carpenters and Joiners Union 24,094,100 2,658,000

Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union 23,875,600 226,300

United Food and Commercial Workers Union 23,182,000 334,200

AFL-CIO 17,124,300 713,500

Sheet Metal Workers Union 16,347,200 342,800

Plumbers & Pipefitters Union 14,790,000 818,500

Operating Engineers Union 13,840,000 2,309,500

Airline Pilots Association 12,806,600 2,398,300

International Association of Firefighters 12,421,700 2,685,400

United Transportation Workers 11,807,000 1,459,300

Ironworkers Union 11,638,900 936,000

American Postal Workers Union 11,633,100 544,300

Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association 8,135,400 2,294,600

Seafarers International Union 6,726,800 1,281,300

Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Washington, D.C.
 
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Catawba said:
Once again, plenty of BS but shy of any documentation whatsoever.

"When George W. Bush was sworn into office as president in January 2001, he inherited a record budget surplus. Five weeks later, he addressed a joint session of Congress, urging lawmakers to act swiftly on his signature campaign promise: $1.6 trillion in tax cuts.

"I hope you'll join me in standing firmly on the side of the people," the president said. "See, the growing surplus exists because taxes are too high and government is charging more than it needs. The people of America have been overcharged, and on their behalf, I'm here asking for a refund."

Republicans cheered. But Democrats were deeply skeptical of a tax cut based on projections of a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years that, in fact, never came about. At the time, North Dakota's Kent Conrad was the ranking Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee."

""The tax cut is simply too big," he said. "No. 2, it is unfair. It goes primarily to the wealthiest among us. Forty percent of the benefit goes to the wealthiest 1 percent in this country."

And House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri had a dire warning: "This is a mistake that we will pay for for years to come!"

Nonetheless, Republicans pushed two big tax packages through Congress in 2001 and 2003. The measures cut marginal rates on personal income taxes. They gradually reduced the estate tax so it disappeared altogether this year. In 2003, they slashed taxes on dividends and capital gains. But to comply with budget and procedural rules, Republicans had to let all those cuts expire, most of them after 10 years. And that is why the clock is now ticking down to Dec. 31 — when tax rates will return to pre-tax cut levels unless Congress acts."
As Clock Ticks, Lawmakers Revisit Bush Tax Cuts : NPR
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You just regurgitate the same information over and over again even though false. You probably should tell the U.S. Treasury that there was a surplus because they missed the memo thus we are paying too much debt service on the Clinton Debt. There was NO surplus only a PROJECTED surplus, you know a projection like Obama claiming that spending 800 billion dollars on a stimulus program would cap unemployment at 8%. Did either projection come true?
 
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apdst said:
Yeah, but that's different. :rofl
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I'm sure. Just like some of the posters may well have been in junior high, when this happened and were not concerned with current events.
 
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Conservative said:
How about starving out union funds for political contributions? Seems like a lot of political operatives may be here promoting unions. Wonder whY?

Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors
1990-2010

Democrats Republicans

American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $547,700

Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000

National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200

Etc.

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I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
 
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apdst said:
No bid contracts have zero to do with spending levels.
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And where did you get an absurd statement like that? No bid contracts are treason to the taxpayer because it encourages sweetheart deals rewarding friends, family and supporters over responsible public service and lower cost contracts.... remember those taxpayers ..... the ones your side pretends to defend and speak for????
 
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theplaydrive said:
I fail to see the problem with unions contributing to campaigns that support their members' interests. People joins unions because they know that they are the most efficient means of protecting their political interests...
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By that logic, you shouldn't have a problem with corporations contributing to campaigns that support their employees's interests. Yes?
 
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The Prof said:
more fantasies

BBC News - Obama to send 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan

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You can't just stop a war or leave a country is disarray. The problem many liberals/Democrats have is with actually starting wars, not with finishing them.

Also, most people against military conflict, are against the one in Iraq because it was based on nothing, not the one in Afghanistan because it waged against the actual aggressor: al-Qaeda.
 
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