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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If that is the case, then every filibuster is against democracy.
    A filibuster is a rule put into the Senate by the members of the Senate. Where is that in the state legislature rules that Representatives can flee the state to keep from voting on a bill?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    It really is quite telling that people outside of Wisconsin have no problem with the taxpayers of Wisconsin paying more in taxes to fund public unions. All ignore as your post claims the damage public unions do to taxpayers.
    tha's a lie. the teacher's union gave all concessions, except the right to collective bargaining. this is not about money, no matter how you try to insist it is.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's bull****. Plain unadulterated bull****. It is a subversion of the democratic process to run and hide...thus grinding government to a halt. Obama said, "Elections have consequences." Apparently that's only when the Dems hold a majority.
    You must be joking. It's not a subversion of the democratic process. When you feel that your voters are under attack, you stand up for them. The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their constituents' interests - this is why we vote for who we vote for. They left in hopes of stalling the process, finding laws that prevented Walker's actions and perhaps reaching negotiations that kept collective bargaining in tact. These types of actions are an expression of democratic ideals - voting is NOT the only way.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You must be joking. It's not a subversion of the democratic process. When you feel that your voters are under attack, you stand up for them. The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their constituents' interests - this is why we vote for who we vote for. They left in hopes of stalling the process, finding laws that prevented Walker's actions and perhaps reaching negotiations that kept collective bargaining in tact. These types of actions are an expression of democratic ideals - voting is NOT the only way.
    Let me correct that for you.......

    The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their union bosses and their campaign donations. They left in hopes of subverting the democratic process.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It really is quite telling that people outside of Wisconsin have no problem with the taxpayers of Wisconsin paying more in taxes to fund public unions. All ignore as your post claims the damage public unions do to taxpayers.
    This assumes that they don't mind paying taxes in their own state - yes, unions do exist in other states.

    Also, if you read the thread, many people answer to claims about the damage public unions do to tax payers. The problems are 1) Union members are also taxpayers. So clearly they aren't upset by the damage. 2) Unions didn't cause the economic problems we have today. 3) THE UNIONS MADE THE FINANCIAL CONCESSIONS.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    A filibuster is a rule put into the Senate by the members of the Senate. Where is that in the state legislature rules that Representatives can flee the state to keep from voting on a bill?
    The rule that it takes 20 present members of the Senate to have a quorum was also put forth by members of the Senate.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Let me correct that for you.......

    The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their union bosses and their campaign donations. They left in hopes of subverting the democratic process.
    You corrected the truth with a lie. Please don't do that again.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    tha's a lie. the teacher's union gave all concessions, except the right to collective bargaining. this is not about money, no matter how you try to insist it is.
    Right, benefits aren't money to union members

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.
    Great fiction MrVicchio! The taxpayers have complete control, the public servants negotiate with the taxpayer's representatives. The Governor did not campaign on busting collective bargaining for public workers. This is shown by all the polls, even the conservative ones, that show that a majority of Wisconsin voters are opposed to Walker's efforts.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The rule that it takes 20 present members of the Senate to have a quorum was also put forth by members of the Senate.
    That rule in Wisconsin is for anything to do with appropriations and since appropriations were taken out of the bill it doesn't apply. Do you live in Wisconsin? If not why is this an issue for you? Trying to tie leaving the state with a filibuster is quite a stretch.

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