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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    .It passed the Michigan Senate yesterday. it is called the Emergency Manager legislation. Its east to google and you can find out all about it. I watched from the gallery as it passed yesterday.

    All they need is the BELIEF that your city or town will be in economic trouble and they can take over and get rid of your elected officials os the ones who run the place and put in their own wanna-be dictators who answer to nobody in that town.
    Another assertion without a link. Haymarket! How 'bout doing some legwork like the rest of us??

    Here's what the poster said:
    However, I do disagree strongly with Walker gaining the power to disolve local governments and install people he appoints in their position. Why should a governor get to decide who is the mayor of my town? That is intolerable.
    Link to Walker. Please.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Another assertion without a link. Haymarket! How 'bout doing some legwork like the rest of us??

    Here's what the poster said:

    Link to Walker. Please.
    You missed my post since the page turned over.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059339456

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Sorry, I got Michigan mixed up with Wisconsin.

    Emergency managers bill sweeps toward final approval | Michigan Messenger

    A lot has happened in the last few days.
    Thank you for the link. And, yes, you're so right. Fast and furious.

    I don't make assumptions. However, the middle class usually represents about 15% of the population, so yeah that would be a major gutting.
    Now that I've been civil ;-) -- I call bull**** on the middle class representing 15% of the population. Link, please? ;-)
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Now that I've been civil ;-) -- I call bull**** on the middle class representing 15% of the population. Link, please? ;-)
    It depends on the model you use. I prefer a living wage model, which puts the middle class at 15-20%. Other models range as high as 66% of the country is middle class.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You may be right. But how 'bout we let democracy decide? Actually, democracy tried to decide it three weeks ago, but Democrats fled the state to subvert it. Now that's operating without ethics.
    Everything that's happening is a product of democracy. Voting is not the only characteristic of a society expressing its democratic ideals. The Democrats left the state to stand up for their constituents, something that their constituents approved of since it showed they weren't just going to watch Walker vote against them. It would unethical to do the opposite of what they did. You can try to spin it all you want, but standing up for the people who voted for in the only limited way that you can is what politicians should do.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It depends on the model you use. I prefer a living wage model, which puts the middle class at 15-20%. Other models range as high as 66% of the country is middle class.
    Why no link? Living wage and middle class are two very different distinctions, no? A living wage would not be the ONLY qualifier even if you do choose to use it. And if you do choose to use "living wage," the middle class would be much larger than it really is, imo, not smaller.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You may be right. But how 'bout we let democracy decide? Actually, democracy tried to decide it three weeks ago, but Democrats fled the state to subvert it. Now that's operating without ethics.
    If that is the case, then every filibuster is against democracy.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Everything that's happening is a product of democracy. Voting is not the only characteristic of a society expressing its democratic ideals. The Democrats left the state to stand up for their constituents, something that their constituents approved of since it showed they weren't just going to watch Walker vote against them. It would unethical to do the opposite of what they did. You can try to spin it all you want, but standing up for the people who voted for in the only limited way that you can is what politicians should do.
    That's bull****. Plain unadulterated bull****. It is a subversion of the democratic process to run and hide...thus grinding government to a halt. Obama said, "Elections have consequences." Apparently that's only when the Dems hold a majority.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They can assemble and petition all they like, but that doesn't give them the right to collude to fix prices any moreso than any other trust. A union is not merely a lobbying group for higher wages; they actually expect a seat at the negotiating table, they employ strongarm tactics to get it, and workers have no choice but to give them money. If workers want to join a special interest group, of their own volition, that seeks to increase public wages at the expense of taxpayers by electing certain candidates to political office, they are free to do so. But let's not pretend that's what a union is.
    You sir are 100% correct. State unions are more than help for a "fair" wage. They are more like the mafia.
    CORPORATE GREED AND UNION GREED
    DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
    DESTROYING THE BEST OF AMERICA ONE DAY AT A TIME

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Sadly you don't understand the economic damage the Public Sector Unions have done to the state, and why this measure is being used to curtail such largess in the future. They aren't doing it for today, they are doing it to save the state tomorrow.
    It really is quite telling that people outside of Wisconsin have no problem with the taxpayers of Wisconsin paying more in taxes to fund public unions. All ignore as your post claims the damage public unions do to taxpayers.

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