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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    They'll now how the choice of whether to join the Union or not. The only ones losing rights are the union leaders right to forcibly take dues and make someone join.
    Nope. They will still (presumably) have to pay union dues, although many may elect to de-unionize. This literally has nothing to do in any way, shape or form with union leaders asking dues or forcing people to join.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    When have they "overturn representative democracy at will"?
    well, as one quick easy example, the people of the State of Wisconsin decided that they would have publicly funded education to teach their kids.

    for the last three weeks, the unions have decided that no, they wouldn't.

    The rights to assemble and petition is one of the fundamental right of democracy
    absolutely, and i would never say otherwise. I would say that they still dont' have the right to commit fraud by faking (or getting false) doctor notes, nor do they have the right to shut down the functions of government so that they can do so whenever they happen to like. they should have protested after work or on the weekends.

    or taken actual vacation days. which amazingly they get, despite 3 months off work a year.

    and this governor says, no you can't assemble as a group and bargain with us on anything other than wages.
    which puts him in line with 26 other state governments and the federal government; and i would say is still too far.

    This on the heel of a supreme court that grants "personhoood" to corporations because it is made up of individuals
    treating corporations as individuals is a legal tradition over a century old. the same ruling applied to unions; and unions have jacked up spending in 2010 accordingly. i don't see many complaining about that.

    (and unions aren't made up of individuals?).
    yes and the ruling specifically applied to them as well

    The balance is going further and further in the favours of the likes of the Koch Brothers who have a lot of money to advance their interests.
    please. Unions spend so much more money than any other entity that it's not even funny any more.

    nice to be able to have an unlimited credit card that get's charged to the US Taxpayer. but, then, that's part of what this was about breaking.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    So wait, I'm confused...

    People using a tactic that is perhaps a bit unethical or questionable is okay and honorable and doing what their consitutents want...IF They're democrats.

    But people usign a tactic that is perhaps a bit unethical or questionable is not okay and cowardly....IF they're republicans?

    Gotta love how this works.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Nope. They will still (presumably) have to pay union dues, although many may elect to de-unionize. This literally has nothing to do in any way, shape or form with union leaders asking dues or forcing people to join.
    I've specifically heard Walker say that with this bill, no one will be forced to pay dues which will save them 500-1,000 dollars each year. They can also choose to change heath care insurance and not be forced on the expensive one chosen by the Union.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    What about the stunt pulled by the democrats by running away from home?
    They were given plenty of time to go back. Then they started the threats of recalls and one of them had sent for an absentee ballot for April. It was obvious they weren't coming back any time soon.

    The Republicans were pretty gutsy to stand up to the Unions that way, in my opinion. Only one voted against it. We'll see how he does when he's up for re-election. If you're right, he'll win.
    That's actually part of it. What issue before have the democrats displayed any balls in?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I've specifically heard Walker say that with this bill, no one will be forced to pay dues which will save them 500-1,000 dollars each year. They can also choose to change heath care insurance and not be forced on the expensive one chosen by the Union.
    You are correct. Union dues will no longer be collected automatically from people's paychecks. They will have to write the check themselves. The healthcare insurance provision itself will save the state millions. Facts and Talking Points for the Wisconsin Budget Showdown | Newt.org
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    That's actually part of it. What issue before have the democrats displayed any balls in?
    passing Obamacare. i gotta admit, they took more flak for that than anything i have seen other than the flak bush took over the war, and they managed to get it through anyway over public objection.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    when it is blown to a national scale inevitably it is done so by the union opposition. Everybody has heard about Chris Christie taking on the unions; the union's response to him made him a national figure. where the matter simply goes up for debate, everyone has their say, arguments are flung around, and then a deal get's hammered out, nobody hears about it.



    i would of course disagree what if you were to simply send out a poll asking if it would be okay to increase teacher compensation in line with inflation, with the voters being asked their permission before they are put on the hook for above and beyond that? if you were to simply ask Americans if workers should be forced to join unions and pay dues in order to teach? that's the substance of what this "collective bargaining rights limitation" is about.



    Wisconsin just became like 26 other states that limit collective bargaining. Wisconsins' employees retain broader ability to collectively bargain than federal employees. that's hardly extremist.
    Perception=/= reality
    They could have done this with a lot less cahoodles, quietly and most people would probably agree with them.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    passing Obamacare. i gotta admit, they took more flak for that than anything i have seen other than the flak bush took over the war, and they managed to get it through anyway over public objection.
    That's another one of those perception things. People are against Obamacare, but for pretty much every part of it (bar the mandate).
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You are correct. Union dues will no longer be collected automatically from people's paychecks. They will have to write the check themselves. The healthcare insurance provision itself will save the state millions. Facts and Talking Points for the Wisconsin Budget Showdown | Newt.org
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