Page 23 of 198 FirstFirst ... 1321222324253373123 ... LastLast
Results 221 to 230 of 1973

Thread: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

  1. #221
    cookies crumble
    ARealConservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    04-21-17 @ 09:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    14,518

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    No, the 52% of Wisconsin voters who oppose weakening union bargaining rights, according to Rasmussen.
    haha. maybe you can look to have the last election replaced with a rasmussen poll. hell, lets do away with elections altogether and let things get decided by random telephone polling.

    /sarcasm

  2. #222
    Sleeper Agent
    iamitter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    NY, NY
    Last Seen
    12-02-17 @ 01:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    1,836

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then again i would have to disagree. matters such as deficits and the size of government are becoming far more central to the American political debate. FAR more people care about public union compensation, constitutional originalism, and all those other tangetal issues today than did 4 years ago. The Tea Party is real, and it's significant, and it's going to be here as a force for quite some time.
    People will say they are against deficits - they are also against cutting pretty much every program except foreign aid.
    The tea party isn't going to be around for very long if these are the kinds of stunts its going to pull.
    Give a man a fish, or he will destroy the only existing vial of antidote.

  3. #223
    Slayer of the DP Newsbot
    danarhea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    39,751

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    haha. maybe you can look to have the last election replaced with a rasmussen poll. hell, lets do away with elections altogether and let things get decided by random telephone polling.

    /sarcasm
    Actually, the Rasmussen poll is the most conservative one out there. Wall Street Journal Poll shows 62% against weakening bargaining rights. Now about that last election? Walker did not tell Wisconsinites that his first goal out of the box would be to try and break the unions. Hence the difference, which you will find out when at least 3 Republican state senators will lose their office, due to recall (maybe more than 3 too - all 8 will be recalled and have to run again). You will also find out when Walker himself is recalled next January.
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

  4. #224
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    that's correct. people are generally against ending collective bargaining rights.

    but people are also in favor of being a right to work state.

    and overwhelmingly people favor the right to representative government (which is what the bill actually expanded).


    it seems you can get the majority of Americans to support about anything so long as you slap the word "rights" onto a phrase that might not be crystal clear its' definition to most poll respondents.




    as for the recall efforts.... i'm thinking for the vast majority of Wisconsin's citizens, this issue fades. the Unions will remember (expect Wisconsin to be absolutely drowning in Union money in a couple of months), but the electorate? school will go on, and i doubt they will care.


    UNLESS the unions are actually stupid enough to call a general strike, as there have been some rumblings of them doing so.

    if that happens, expect to see any union support plummet fast.
    Last edited by cpwill; 03-10-11 at 03:49 AM.

  5. #225
    Slayer of the DP Newsbot
    danarhea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:02 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    39,751

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Just as the Koch brothers have their agenda labeled rights in a poll as well. Right?
    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

  6. #226
    Sage
    The Giant Noodle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Northern Illinois
    Last Seen
    11-03-14 @ 05:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,333

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Im celebrating here. I opened a can of tuna for my 2 kick-ass cats and then broke out the bag of birdseed for the animals outside. Then for myself I took a natural laxative. Ive been blocked up
    CORPORATE GREED AND UNION GREED
    DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
    DESTROYING THE BEST OF AMERICA ONE DAY AT A TIME

    This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against ME! ~ Bender

  7. #227
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    People will say they are against deficits - they are also against cutting pretty much every program except foreign aid.
    and now, cowboy poets.

    but this is a good point; we'll see how much steam the Tea Party loses in it's cutting battle when it becomes obvious how much of the budget is mandatory entitlement spending.

    The tea party isn't going to be around for very long if these are the kinds of stunts its going to pull.
    what, fixing state and local budgets? that's the perfect place for a grassroots up-from-below organization to be focusing.

  8. #228
    Sleeper Agent
    iamitter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    NY, NY
    Last Seen
    12-02-17 @ 01:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    1,836

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    it seems you can get the majority of Americans to support about anything so long as you slap the word "rights" onto a phrase that might not be crystal clear its' definition to most poll respondents.
    The truth in this statement is overwhelming.
    The way questions are phrased in polls can influence it, too.
    Nate silver took issue with the rasmussen poll for their phrasing: Rasmussen Poll on Wisconsin Dispute May Be Biased - NYTimes.com
    Give a man a fish, or he will destroy the only existing vial of antidote.

  9. #229
    Sleeper Agent
    iamitter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    NY, NY
    Last Seen
    12-02-17 @ 01:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    1,836

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and now, cowboy poets.

    but this is a good point; we'll see how much steam the Tea Party loses in it's cutting battle when it becomes obvious how much of the budget is mandatory entitlement spending.



    what, fixing state and local budgets? that's the perfect place for a grassroots up-from-below organization to be focusing.
    To your second point, yes, it is. In this way, however? Not at all. This issue is being blown to national scale. Even if the poll you showed earlier was representative of actual changing ideals rather than the meaning of the words, this is not in any way what the average american would want.
    Most people remain in the moderate portion of the scale and won't like the extremist behavior currently being shown.
    Regardless of what implications this bill has on finances, what do you think the average person will think when they hear that these guys stripped the bill of all "financial aspects" and passed a bill purely to end collective bargaining rights? they won't see it as being responsible, they'll see it as ending rights, even if those rights never existed in the first place.
    Give a man a fish, or he will destroy the only existing vial of antidote.

  10. #230
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Just as the Koch brothers have their agenda labeled rights in a poll as well. Right?
    what, are you against freedom of speech?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •