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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    I have mixed feelings about this. I do believe that public sector collection bargaining must be racheted back, by force if necessary, in order for states (all states, all public entities) to be able to remain solvent into the future. However, the Wisconsin legislature has done this in such a way that it will be immediately appealed and overturned. The state will then be back to square one, minus the court and lawyer fees.

    It might have made them feel really, really good, but that feeling is only going to last a really, really short time. They have to do things right, legally. Unless this is nothing more that a partisian pep rally. If so, good job.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That didn't answer the question... typical dodge...
    This thread is chock full of dodge.

    Take the claim that the GOP made an illegal vote, then later claiming they were being dishonest only voting for the union busting point. It's pretty much over for the Pro-Union crowd.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I have mixed feelings about this. I do believe that public sector collection bargaining must be racheted back, by force if necessary, in order for states (all states, all public entities) to be able to remain solvent into the future. However, the Wisconsin legislature has done this in such a way that it will be immediately appealed and overturned. The state will then be back to square one, minus the court and lawyer fees.

    It might have made them feel really, really good, but that feeling is only going to last a really, really short time. They have to do things right, legally. Unless this is nothing more that a partisian pep rally. If so, good job.
    How was it illegal? It wasn't. The dem's just be crying.
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    Question Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    IN the link given by Sgt Meowenstin: Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights - Rasmussen Reports™

    I found the link for the question list:


    Questions - Wisconsin Public Employees - March 2, 2011 - Rasmussen Reports™


    Wisconsin State Survey of 800 Likely Voters
    Conducted March 2, 2011
    By Rasmussen Reports

    1* How closely have you followed recent news stories about Governor Scott Walker’s proposals to reduce the state budget deficit?

    2* In the debate over how to reduce the state budget deficit, are you more supportive of Governor Walker or the state Senate Democrats?

    3* Do you favor or oppose a proposal that would require state employees to help pay the costs of the health care and pension benefits?

    4* How closely have you followed recent news stories about Governor Scott Walker’s proposals to weaken the collective bargaining rights of state unions?

    5* In the debate over collective bargaining rights, are you more supportive of Governor Walker or the public employee unions?

    6* Do you favor or oppose a proposal that would cut the pay and benefits of state workers?

    7* Generally speaking, do public employee unions have two much influence on politics in Wisconsin, not enough influence, or about the right amount of influence?

    8* In terms of its impact on the nation, is it a good thing or a bad thing that most teachers belong to public employee unions?

    9* To help reduce state spending would you favor or oppose a 10% pay cut for all state employees?

    10* Are state employees paid too much, too little or about right?

    11* Do you favor or oppose a proposal to weaken the collective bargaining rights of state employees?

    12* To eliminate the state budget deficit, would you favor tax hikes, spending cuts, or a combination of the two? Those who answered “combination of the two” were asked the following question: Would you prefer to see more tax hikes than spending cuts, more spending cuts than tax hikes, or a roughly equal amount of tax hikes and spending cuts?

    13* Do you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable impression of public school teachers in Wisconsin?

    14* Do you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable impression of the teachers union in Wisconsin?

    15* In the November 2010 election for Governor, did you vote for Tom Barrett or Scott Walker?


    NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

    Now for my question: What important question did Rasmussen Reports not ask to avoid possible bias on the poll?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    People describe themselves differently. Perhaps instead of ideology, I should have said their take on issues, which hasn't changed much at all. When it does, elections are generally a poor way of measuring it.
    then again i would have to disagree. matters such as deficits and the size of government are becoming far more central to the American political debate. FAR more people care about public union compensation, constitutional originalism, and all those other tangetal issues today than did 4 years ago. The Tea Party is real, and it's significant, and it's going to be here as a force for quite some time.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, it's not. Changing my political lean was an honest move on my part. I suggest you read my thread in the partisan politics forum, before you start calling me names.
    You know, one can be independent and conservative at the same time. I am a conservative but I have no allegiance to the Republican Party, or any other party. My allegience is to my own beliefs and conscience, not to that of any person or political party...
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Ann Coulter - Sean Hannity - Wisconsin Unions | Mediaite

    She turns on Walker and I have to admit, she has a point.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    IN the link given by Sgt Meowenstin: Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights - Rasmussen Reports™

    I found the link for the question list:


    Questions - Wisconsin Public Employees - March 2, 2011 - Rasmussen Reports™





    Now for my question: What important question did Rasmussen Reports not ask to avoid possible bias on the poll?
    Ummm...are you a member of a union?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Ummm...are you a member of a union?

    BINGO! You got it! (and more particularly a member of government union.)
    Last edited by Shadow Serious; 03-10-11 at 01:24 AM. Reason: adding to.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I have mixed feelings about this. I do believe that public sector collection bargaining must be racheted back, by force if necessary, in order for states (all states, all public entities) to be able to remain solvent into the future.
    Then you should be singing their praises.....THE MOB just got dissolved in Wisconsin.....

    However, the Wisconsin legislature has done this in such a way that it will be immediately appealed and overturned. The state will then be back to square one, minus the court and lawyer fees.

    It might have made them feel really, really good, but that feeling is only going to last a really, really short time. They have to do things right, legally. Unless this is nothing more that a partisian pep rally. If so, good job.
    That....or as soon as the Democrats come back from hiding......schedule a vote on the bill in its entirety and pass it.

    The Greatest Governor of all time has them by the balls....... God Bless Him.
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