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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Somebody already pointed this out and I admitted that I was wrong. Thanks though.

    I know I saw it after. I was way behind in this thread.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And there's the rub. Walker could not have gotten elected if he said this, so he lied, disguising his union busting effort behind the idea of balancing the budget.
    interesting claim. given that, in fact, unions campaigned against walker in 2010 by arguing specifically that he was planning to accomplish precisely what he has, do you have any evidence of Walker saying (during the election, for example) that he had no intention to limit collective bargaining of public employees?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Unions represent citizens.
    unions represent a minority of citizens. but public unions represent a key minority of citizens, ones with the ability - should they act in concert under the direction of the union - to cause government functions to grind to a screetching halt.

    Imagine if (for example) the military one day decided that they didnt' trust Obama to be a good C-in-C; and so they started pursuing their own foriegn policy.

    and so unions are a special-interest group. and special interest groups should have the ability to petition the government which is representative of the entire electorate. they should NOT have the ability to veto that government.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, the reason is to break the unions.
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that.
    Nah, that speaks to the fact that only the non-fiscal portions COULD pass without a quorum.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    The fact that the unions had already agreed to all financial concessions speaks to that.
    As I said earlier, those are two separate problems: The immediate budget deficit, and the more chronic problem of teachers' unions destroying our education system. Financial concessions may solve the first problem, but they won't solve the latter.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    And, finally, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader admitting to FOX News this afternoon that the bill was about breaking the union speaks to that. No amount of lies, weasel words, and talking points is going to cover up the fact that this was not about balancing the budget at all, but breaking the union.
    Again, you say that like it's a bad thing.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea
    The People of the State of Wisconsin elected Walker as Governor to balance the budget, not to wage an ideological war against them.
    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    them?

    what, the 3% of the population that belongs to a public union.

    maybe you come visit the state before pretending to know what the residents think?
    No, the 52% of Wisconsin voters who oppose weakening union bargaining rights, according to Rasmussen.

    Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights - Rasmussen Reports™

    A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed. At the same time, 44% support a 10% pay cut for all state workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed. That’s partly because 27% of Wisconsin voters believe state workers are paid too much and 16% believe they are paid too little. Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the pay of state workers is about right.
    And according to a poll conducted for a conservative think tank, 51% of Wisconsin voters oppose Walker's bill. The poll also found that Walker is unpopular with most voters. Also, 65% said Walker should negotiate.

    Opinions polls show sharp divisions on Walker - JSOnline

    In one new survey, 54% of Wisconsinites disapprove of Walker's performance while 43% approve. Walker is viewed less favorably than either of his main antagonists in the state's stormy budget debate: public employee unions and Democrats in the Legislature. And after just two months in office, he inspires more intense feelings - pro and con - than President Barack Obama does in Wisconsin.

    Those findings come from a statewide poll of 603 adults taken Feb. 27 through Tuesday for a conservative think tank that has surveyed regularly in the state, the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute.

    The WPRI survey shows fierce division over the governor's budget-repair bill - 46% support it and 51% oppose it - but also public hunger for a resolution.

    When asked whether Walker should "stand strong for the plan he has proposed no matter how long the protests go on" or "negotiate with Democrats and public employees' unions in order to find a compromise solution," a large majority - 65% - said the governor should negotiate to find a compromise, while 33% said "stand strong."


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Since there was no quorum, it will not stand up in court. The Wisconsin State Supreme Court will overturn this in short order.
    On what basis do you claim there was no quorum?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Yes, I'd call the Democrats cowards. An election was held, and instead of standing and casting a vote, they ran away from their duty.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Sorry, guy. I'm not taking the bait. You are now on ignore. Go start a flame war with someone else.
    Notice one and all, Dan's feelings have been hurt. I didn't troll, I tried to engage him, and point out some truth. I guess it hurt to much.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    looks like we've been seeing a shift of "moderates" to "conservatism".



    that's true, but don't mistake the republican party for conservative ideology.
    People describe themselves differently. Perhaps instead of ideology, I should have said their take on issues, which hasn't changed much at all. When it does, elections are generally a poor way of measuring it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Read the OP.
    That didn't answer the question... typical dodge...
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