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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    He's only admiting that it will have an effect on Obama and Dems. not that that is the reason for doing it. The reason it needs to be done is to keep states from going bankrupt.
    No, the reason is to break the unions. The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that. The fact that the unions had already agreed to all financial concessions speaks to that. And, finally, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader admitting to FOX News this afternoon that the bill was about breaking the union speaks to that. No amount of lies, weasel words, and talking points is going to cover up the fact that this was not about balancing the budget at all, but breaking the union.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    All evidence and facts to the contrary... but go on...




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    No they wont. They will be getting a call of thanks from me!

    This is the BEST news in the whole year!!!! Maybe the last 2 years!!!!!

    Tax payers CELEBRATE!!!!!

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, the reason is to break the unions. The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that. The fact that the unions had already agreed to all financial concessions speaks to that. And, finally, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader admitting to FOX News this afternoon that the bill was about breaking the union speaks to that. No amount of lies, weasel words, and talking points is going to cover up the fact that this was not about balancing the budget at all, but breaking the union.
    Good!!! I want all State Unions destroyed! In EVERY State! They are nothing but selfish leeches that put themselves above those that they are supposed to help! By breaking Unions it helps the taxpayers. IF they dont like their pay or benefits TUFF!!! Get another job. JOIN REALITY! Bunch of overpaid, over funded ass-clowns!
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    When people say there was a surplus they are referring to the public debt - i.e. a surplus in the general fund (where the gov. puts income taxes, etc.). However, yes, when you include intra-governmental debt, there was still a deficit. Most people don't. This does not discount the fact that during Clinton's administration (aided heavily by his budget plan) that deficit decreased by $400 billion.
    the surplus amounted to smoke and mirrors. why pretend a surplus exists when you borrow money from intra-governmental debt to get that surplus?

    Bush Senior campaigned on the premise that we had to return this surplus, and it infuriated me because it wasn't really a surplus. You can't claim a surplus when our total debt increases.

    and maybe you can explain why the hatred from a couple people for linking to that article?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    This has nothing to do with Wisconsin. It's all about 2012 and Obama.
    well out of the numerous states currently cutting back on public employee compensation, the only ones getting attacked by the unions are swing states.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I believe he has to be in office one year and they need to collect maybe 25% of his votes in signatures. Then I think there may be a special election? Anyway, by then his approvals will be up and all will be forgiven.
    they also have 60 days from the time they filed for a recall petition to get the signatures.

    and if they fail, they can't try again.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Then he'll have time to campaign for POTUS in 2012.
    Hah, that's funny. The move today was ideological and although I agree with it, the majority of the country would not agree with him. He took it way too far and ended up shooting himself in the knee.

    There's really no evidence the ideology of the country has changed in the past 5-10 years. The democratic win in 2008 and the republican win in 2010 was not the country saying they agree with their extremes, but that they dislike the way the current party in power is taking the country.

    Most of the country is pretty moderate. Most of our politicians aren't.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, the reason is to break the unions
    that's the most important reason, yes. what you are missing is that it is the fact of public unions being able to extend disproportionate control over the process that causes the state or locality to run the risk of bankruptcy.

    targeting public employee union power in order to fix persistent budget deficits is like targeting a disease rather than the symptoms. you have to go after the genesis of a problem if you wish to solve it structurally.

    The fact that THIS is the only provision of the bill that was passed, while separating ALL fiscal portions of the bill from it, speaks to that.
    Republicans can't pass the rest of it because (famously) their fellow Senators are hiding out in their "no republicans allowed" treehouse and refusing to play. When Democrats return (which, now that the unions will no longer be paying their hotel bills, might be soon), no doubt the fiscal portions will be the first pieces of legislation they deal with.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Good!!! I want all State Unions destroyed! In EVERY State! They are nothing but selfish leeches that put themselves above those that they are supposed to help! By breaking Unions it helps the taxpayers. IF they dont like their pay or benefits TUFF!!! Get another job. JOIN REALITY! Bunch of overpaid, over funded ass-clowns!
    And there's the rub. Walker could not have gotten elected if he said this, so he lied, hiding his union busting effort behind the idea of balancing the budget. This is why Wisconsinites are so up in arms, why the GOP is toast in Wisconsin, why there are 8 recall efforts against Republicans in the state which look like they will be successful, and why Walker is going to be a one term governor, that is, if he somehow miraculously survives the recall effort that will be directed at him next year.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    There's really no evidence the ideology of the country has changed in the past 5-10 years


    looks like we've been seeing a shift of "moderates" to "conservatism".

    The democratic win in 2008 and the republican win in 2010 was not the country saying they agree with their extremes, but that they dislike the way the current party in power is taking the country.
    that's true, but don't mistake the republican party for conservative ideology.

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