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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Reading your comment about the stupidity of people and looking at the photo to the left of it certainly causes one to pause.

    It couldn't been said any better!



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Gee, I didn't think I would have to remind you, since you keep insisting that it didn't work - so I guess all the economists that say it did are wrong - because you couldn't be wrong!

    You need to take the approach of Nigel Gault instead of holding on to your opinion which has been proven to be wrong over and over!

    It appears you are the one that needs to grow up!

    “It was worth doing — it’s made a difference,” said Nigel Gault, chief economist at IHS Global Insight, a financial forecasting and analysis group based in Lexington, Mass.
    Mr. Gault added: “I don’t think it’s right to look at it by saying, ‘Well, the economy is still doing extremely badly, therefore the stimulus didn’t work.’ I’m afraid the answer is, yes, we did badly but we would have done even worse without the stimulus.”

    Private Forecasters Support Claim That Stimulus Worked



    In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation...
    Stimulus: The depression that might have been | The Economist



    And here are some success stories from different states:

    The Recovery Act: Success Stories in the States
    Got to love your definition of success, 15 million unemployed Americans and more debt added in three years than Bush did in 8. Some are just like you, in denial of actual results.

    Your evidence is blog posts that claim things could have been worse thus the definition of success? Over a trillion dollars thrown at the problem and these are the results. No wonder liberals have zero credibility.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Wisconsin Union Anti-Walker Protest: Stunning Account of Violent Mob Rule at Ironic Surrealism v3.0

    thugs.

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=hdqG6UZu6U
    Note the Hitler references, the crosshairs over Gov. Walker, etc.
    Thugs.

    Dismiss away PB... it's all you have.
    Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.
    You are so wrong, as it has been pointed out over and over - but as usual, you keep repeating your rhetoric as if it were true. Quit posting untruths - the taxpayers are not paying for it. You need to educate yourself on it.

    Let us begin with this simple, indisputable truth: public employees' unions don't get a single red cent from taxpayers. And they aren't a mechanism to “force” working people to support Democrats – that's completely illegal.

    Public sector workers are employed by the government, but they are private citizens. Once a private citizen earns a dollar from the sweat of his or her brow, it no longer belongs to his or her employer. In the case of public workers, it is no longer a “taxpayer dollar”; it is a dollar held privately by an American citizen. Public sector unions are financed through the dues paid by these private citizens, who elected to be part of a union – not a single taxpayer dollar is involved, and no worker is forced to join a union against his or her wishes. No worker in the United States is required to give one red cent to support a political cause he or she doesn't agree with.

    Union Dues are Paid By Private Citizens



    The question journalists should be asking is "who contributes" to the state of Wisconsin' s pension and health care plans.

    The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions.Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.

    tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?
    How can the liberal ideology create such brainwashed individuals who refuse to even acknowledge what the media is showing in video? Are you really that naive to believe that there aren't union thugs? No wonder this country is in such a mess when people like you cannot admit when wrong.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Got to love your definition of success, 15 million unemployed Americans and more debt added in three years than Bush did in 8. Some are just like you, in denial of actual results.

    Your evidence is blog posts that claim things could have been worse thus the definition of success? Over a trillion dollars thrown at the problem and these are the results. No wonder liberals have zero credibility.
    Your definition of success would be to be in "DEPRESSION" - now there's a conservative value to aspire for!



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    You are so wrong, as it has been pointed out over and over - but as usual, you keep repeating your rhetoric as if it were true. Quit posting untruths - the taxpayers are not paying for it. You need to educate yourself on it.

    Let us begin with this simple, indisputable truth: public employees' unions don't get a single red cent from taxpayers. And they aren't a mechanism to “force” working people to support Democrats – that's completely illegal.

    Public sector workers are employed by the government, but they are private citizens. Once a private citizen earns a dollar from the sweat of his or her brow, it no longer belongs to his or her employer. In the case of public workers, it is no longer a “taxpayer dollar”; it is a dollar held privately by an American citizen. Public sector unions are financed through the dues paid by these private citizens, who elected to be part of a union – not a single taxpayer dollar is involved, and no worker is forced to join a union against his or her wishes. No worker in the United States is required to give one red cent to support a political cause he or she doesn't agree with.

    Union Dues are Paid By Private Citizens



    The question journalists should be asking is "who contributes" to the state of Wisconsin' s pension and health care plans.

    The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions.Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.

    tax.com: Really Bad Reporting in Wisconsin: Who 'Contributes' to Public Workers' Pensions?
    It really is too bad that you don't use some of that hard work of yours to get the other side of the story. Where do the union employees get their pay checks from? Where do the unions get the retirement and healthcare money from? Think that union pensions and healthcare money is being used solely for their intended purposes? If so why are they broke? Stop being foolish. Wish I could figure out why liberals like you are so brainwashed by a failed ideology.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Mackinaw center is a joke. A really bad joke. Here is another one of a different kind ... a rather funny one which describes my reaction to your obsession with this topic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
    Thanks for the laugh!



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Your definition of success would be to be in "DEPRESSION" - now there's a conservative value to aspire for!
    Right but only if we can starve kids like my grandkids, pollute the air, and kill grandma. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric that cannot be proven because that is what liberals do, distort and lie for their own personal gain.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Thanks for the laugh Whovian, if you call this thugery then so the Tea Party are thugs as well. Signs?
    I noticed you skipped this in your childish response...

    Last night one Senator told me they had been told to clear the Capitol because the new groups coming in overnight are filled with with people “who aren’t afraid to be arrested” and the Administration could not guarantee the safety of the legislators and their staffs. In our Capitol.

    On Thursday, legislators were advised to return to their offices and lock their doors. Mobs roamed the halls, banging on the glass of the doors, pounding on the walls. No one could move in the halls or enter or leave the building. The glass of the Supreme Court’s entrance was broken. Legislators were genuinely afraid. Our elected representatives were afraid. In our Capitol.

    A young female reporter trying to get into the Senate chamber struggled to get through the crowd. She arrived disheveled and upset because she had been roughed up as she tried to get through “Bitch-slapped” the mob told her. A senior senator was spat on. A senator and his female staffer struggled to get into the capitol. He was worried about his staffer because the crowd was grabbing at her and pushing her. University Police were two arms lengths away and did nothing. They, of course, are union.
    Since that isn't enough...

    Top 10 Ugly Moments in the Wisconsin Union Battle : News, Opinion, Truth & YOU!
    Damage to capitol: The state capitol in Madison sustained $7.5 million in damage...
    The owner of the Easy Street Cafe in Madison called 911 when a group of union protesters, led by members of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local 1199, stormed his restaurant and verbally accosted seven Republican state senators who were sharing a meal after a vote at the capitol. The group of about 10 people chanted and shouted obscenities at the legislators. When asked to leave by the owner, they refused and got into a scuffle with the restaurant staff.
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