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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is very much right wing to have the attitude towards unions that you do and evidenced over and over and over again.
    That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.
    Please do provide us with appropriate illumination.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please do provide us with appropriate illumination.
    Would be happy to do so for anyone that actually gives a damn and will pay attention. you aren't in that group as nothing is going to change your mind or opinions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    A couple of facts about unions: They can't demand anything, they can only negotiate. Their members don't get anything that the employers don't agree to. Unions can not raise taxes, nor are they a part of the government. Unions are simply a way for employees to band together so that there is a balance of power between labor and management. Without the union, management holds all of the aces, and can do whatever it wants. That was the situation back in the 19th. century. Try reading "The Jungle", or perhaps "Grapes of Wrath", and see if anyone really wants to go back to those good old days. The Pavlovian response to unions I keep reading in these posts seem to think that "thugs" are unilaterally stealing tax money. If that is the case, then the managers are complicit in the thievery. Further, the salaries that are negotiated are not for the unions themselves, but for the employees. In the case of "public" unions, that means largely teachers, cops, and firefighters.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Would be happy to do so for anyone that actually gives a damn and will pay attention. you aren't in that group as nothing is going to change your mind or opinions.
    I am shocked by your outright refusal to provide appropriate support for your claims and allegations. Shocked I tell you!
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That attitude comes from years of experience and actually working with unions. I have absolutely no use for the thugs that run the union and take advantage of some very good people.
    Well, please explain then. I frankly have not had much experience with unions except for the transit authority in NYC and never on a personal level.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Well, please explain then. I frankly have not had much experience with unions except for the transit authority in NYC and never on a personal level.
    I have been spit on, swung at, had lit cigarettes thrown at a gasoline tanker truck I was in, threats made against my family all because I was on the other side of the table in union negotiations. You have seen examples of the union thugs in Wisconsin and I experienced some of that first hand. I also worked on the highway depart in my early years and it was unionized. They sent seven people out to bury a dead dog and did more to get out of work than they did actually working. I knew then I wanted nothing to do with unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I have been spit on, swung at, had lit cigarettes thrown at a gasoline tanker truck I was in, threats made against my family all because I was on the other side of the table in union negotiations. You have seen examples of the union thugs in Wisconsin and I experienced some of that first hand. I also worked on the highway depart in my early years and it was unionized. They sent seven people out to bury a dead dog and did more to get out of work than they did actually working. I knew then I wanted nothing to do with unions.
    OK, but you said you just don't like the thugs that run the unions who are taking advantage of some people (are you talking about some union members here?)
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    OK, but you said you just don't like the thugs that run the unions who are taking advantage of some people (are you talking about some union members here?)
    Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not at all, there are some good people in the unions, many of them conservatives but unfortunately there aren't enough to make those thugs civil as you saw in Wisconsin. Many good teachers didn't walk out and go to Madison and in fact many actually vote conservative. Too bad this group cannot influence their leadership. Mandatory unions hurt a lot of good people.
    If Walker's law stands, the proof will be in the pudding as Wisconsin teachers will no longer have their union dues withheld and will have to write the checks themselves. I believe that they will no longer even have to belong. Is it any wonder the unions have pulled out alllll the stops on this issue? They are running scared.
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