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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience, you will just have to excuse me on that one, as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending. as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.
    Some of this bull**** is starting to look like dear Abby.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience, you will just have to excuse me on that one, as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending. as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.

    And yet, they do it everyday.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Some of this bull**** is starting to look like dear Abby.
    dear abby, i'm a union thug in ohio and......

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    first, i'm a little skeptical of your union experience
    I could care less coming from someone who misrepresented themselves for 4 years elsewhere.

    you will just have to excuse me on that one
    I will give you as much of a pass as you extend to me, and that right now is little or nothing.

    as the 'going to meetings when offered' made me chuckle, as meetings are generally a monthly event, and posted on the union board at place of employment at least a week to ten days in advance...that statement was telling to me, as two of the meeting you attended were 'contract approval'...sounds to me like those were the only ones you were interested in attending.

    Well, as a 23 year old kid who was more concerned with partying and having fun, you're probably right at the time. But, that neither invalidates my experiences with the unions, nor my knowledge of them from growing up. You know just because someone doesn't agree with your propaganda doesn't make them wrong, or unknowledgeable, or anything of the sort, it is after all why union membership today is at its lowest point in American history, and the Unions need CardCheck to intimidate in the workplace to bolster their own existence. Just keep in mind many more people in this country know the truth about Unions than the dolts that try and tell everyone else they are wrong.

    as for the rest, you continue with the whole anti-union spiel , which is taken out of the big business playbook. you don't seem to understand, or care to, that 'running a company out of business' goes against the union's best interest.
    Listen to yourself....."Taken out of the big business playbook"? hahaha! Attica! Attica! Attica! Talk about brainwashed.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    dear abby, i'm a union thug in ohio and......

    Admitting the problem is the first step in the cure.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I could care less coming from someone who misrepresented themselves for 4 years elsewhere.



    I will give you as much of a pass as you extend to me, and that right now is little or nothing.




    Well, as a 23 year old kid who was more concerned with partying and having fun, you're probably right at the time. But, that neither invalidates my experiences with the unions, nor my knowledge of them from growing up. You know just because someone doesn't agree with your propaganda doesn't make them wrong, or unknowledgeable, or anything of the sort, it is after all why union membership today is at its lowest point in American history, and the Unions need CardCheck to intimidate in the workplace to bolster their own existence. Just keep in mind many more people in this country know the truth about Unions than the dolts that try and tell everyone else they are wrong.



    Listen to yourself....."Taken out of the big business playbook"? hahaha! Attica! Attica! Attica! Talk about brainwashed.


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    people change j, you should know that......your admitted lack of interest in attending your meetings has limited your knowledge on how unions work, it is what it is...as for the rest of your claimed 'knowledge' and 'experience', much of it is second hand, or what has been spoon fed to you...you want to blame unions for everything, but seem unwilling to consider that perhaps mismanagement had alot to do with alot of businesses closing. got to look at the big picture j, got to look at the big picture...also, seems i remember reading that a majority of american workers would organize into unions, if the whole process wasnt skewed in favor of businesses...alot of people afraid they would suddenly be 'replaced' should they try to organize...i'll have to see if i can find that ...

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    people change j, you should know that......your admitted lack of interest in attending your meetings has limited your knowledge on how unions work, it is what it is...as for the rest of your claimed 'knowledge' and 'experience', much of it is second hand, or what has been spoon fed to you...you want to blame unions for everything, but seem unwilling to consider that perhaps mismanagement had alot to do with alot of businesses closing. got to look at the big picture j, got to look at the big picture...also, seems i remember reading that a majority of american workers would organize into unions, if the whole process wasnt skewed in favor of businesses...alot of people afraid they would suddenly be 'replaced' should they try to organize...i'll have to see if i can find that ...

    You probably saw it here: Majority Receptive to Law Making Union Organizing Easier - Democratic Underground

    As far as Gallup's poll on this let me just clue you in to their own disclaimer at the bottom of their little poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallup
    In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
    haha....Noooooo, ya think?


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Pay attention to the other posts and stop with the obsession with me. The facts are there about unions which you refuse to believe. your choice, your failure.
    One cannot help but notice that several of the most ardent right wing True Believers here seem to adopt this line when somebody keeps exposing their line of nonsense. They somehow, someway feel that they cannot stand close scrutiny and its unfair to look at their posts and keep asking tough questions about them.

    All the sudden they accuse others of being obsessed with them when it is they who are obsessed with right wing ideology.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One cannot help but notice that several of the most ardent right wing True Believers here seem to adopt this line when somebody keeps exposing their line of nonsense. They somehow, someway feel that they cannot stand close scrutiny and its unfair to look at their posts and keep asking tough questions about them.

    All the sudden they accuse others of being obsessed with them when it is they who are obsessed with right wing ideology.
    Talking about yourself again, only thought yours was a leftwing ideology? It isn't rightwing to accept personal responsibility and point out the problems with unions. It isn't rightwing to point out the differences between public and private unions. It isn't right wing to point out political contributions from unions to Democrats. It isn't right wing to point out that public unions are funded by the taxpayers. That is reality and the real world. Feel free to join the real world.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Talking about yourself again, only thought yours was a leftwing ideology? It isn't rightwing to accept personal responsibility and point out the problems with unions. It isn't rightwing to point out the differences between public and private unions. It isn't right wing to point out political contributions from unions to Democrats. It isn't right wing to point out that public unions are funded by the taxpayers. That is reality and the real world. Feel free to join the real world.
    It is very much right wing to have the attitude towards unions that you do and evidenced over and over and over again.
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