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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?
    randel, unions just love having people like you for you are very easy to manipulate and brainwash. It really is a shame that you cannot see how unions keep you dependent and actually keep your wages down from what you could make on your own with a little incentive, creativity, and hard work. Everyone getting the same pay increase and no merit raises has to movtivate people with no initiative or drive plus the inability to lose your job due to seniority. With public unions the taxpayer gets screwed, with public unions companies go out of business.

    I am going to point out exactly what happens with public unions no matter how much you dislike hearing the truth. Taxpayers fund union pay and benefits and regardless of how you feel that is reality.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

    coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.
    WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.
    Just goes to show the hypocrisy of a liberal who is always concerned about the "little guy" but not about how little they pay for Wal-Mart goods and services. That evil corporation is the largest employer in the country and provides goods and services at lower prices for that "little guy." Wal-Mart is an incredible corporate citizen, creates a lot of opportunities for the employees, and generates incredible tax revenue for the govt. Not being union is all that liberals look at, true hypocrits

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Just goes to show the hypocrisy of a liberal who is always concerned about the "little guy" but not about how little they pay for Wal-Mart goods and services. That evil corporation is the largest employer in the country and provides goods and services at lower prices for that "little guy." Wal-Mart is an incredible corporate citizen, creates a lot of opportunities for the employees, and generates incredible tax revenue for the govt. Not being union is all that liberals look at, true hypocrits
    There are some people who are slaves to the corporate mentality. They fully participate with a smile upon their face and larceny in their hearts the idea that average folks can be conned into going against their long term interests via giving them a short term gain. Sadly, by the time many average folks figure out they have been bent over the table and their way had with them, cheap toilet paper and cheaper toothpaste made in China will be the least of their problems. Then I wonder how the right wing ringmasters will deceive them next time to vote against their own long term self interest?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are some people who are slaves to the corporate mentality. They fully participate with a smile upon their face and larceny in their hearts the idea that average folks can be conned into going against their long term interests via giving them a short term gain. Sadly, by the time many average folks figure out they have been bent over the table and their way had with them, cheap toilet paper and cheaper toothpaste made in China will be the least of their problems. Then I wonder how the right wing ringmasters will deceive them next time to vote against their own long term self interest?


    Absolutely, that corporate mentality that rewards performance and creates merit pay, something liberals do not understand. That can work for the private sector do and prosper, those that cannot work for the public sector and wallow in mediocrity

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.
    You'd be wrong here, at least from my subjective experience.

    When WalMart came to a little town in coal country Kentucky called Manchester, it provided hundreds of jobs to an area that sorely needed them. People came from all around to work and to shop. What few mom/pop stores were there couldn't even serve the needs of the population....much less at reasonable cost. No, WalMart was a step up in the world for this little burg.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Absolutely, that corporate mentality that rewards performance and creates merit pay, something liberals do not understand. That can work for the private sector do and prosper, those that cannot work for the public sector and wallow in mediocrity
    But what if this "performance" causes benefits for the company, but puts the entire global economy on the brink of destruction and then when the public bails them out, they do nothing to change the root problems that caused the crisis, thus almost ensuring that another one will occur in the future?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are some people who are slaves to the corporate mentality.
    I wonder if people like you who constantly bitch about 'the corporate mentality' and talk about how evil corporations are, actually work for themselves, or for a corporation?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.
    I'm not sure how it works in Wisconsin. In California, the employee pays for the pension fund.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.

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    yes, just what I said before. According to your line of reasonikng, the public employee wouldn't have any money without his job, so any money that gets spent is tax money. Therefore, tax money is being spent to provide everything from beer to beerocks. And, as has been pointed out, that reasoning is spurious, and (almost) anyone can see that it is.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I wonder if people like you who constantly bitch about 'the corporate mentality' and talk about how evil corporations are, actually work for themselves, or for a corporation?
    When are you going to stop acting like a troll and actually add real content to the conversation, Whovian? This thread is not about anyone here at DP, you'll find those threads in the basement.

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