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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    wrong cp, ....if the shop is already unionized when the a person applies for a job, and they are offered a job, THEY HAVE A CHOICE THEN, TO ACCEPT THE JOB, AND WORK IN A UNION SHOP, OR TO SAY 'NO THANKS, NOT WORKING IN A UNION SHOP'
    exactly. and if a worker were interviewing for a job and the guy performing the interview were to say "by the way, this is a non-union workplace, and you can't organize a union if you want to work here" then the employee has the choice to either accept this term of condition or say "no thanks, not working in a no-union shop".

    and no, not unionizing can't be made a condition of employment, as that choice is a right of the worker, and protected by federal law.
    yes, yes, i know. the worker has a right to choose to join a union, just not the right to choose to leave one without losing his job. all animals are equal and some are just more equal than others.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    This heist exactly was what?
    rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

    coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Labor jobs not management...again Union labor are the only working americans making a halfway living wage with some security.
    i'm not management. neither is my brother. my dad i guess you could say is because he's the "head" pastor (he has a junior pastor) of the church. skilled intelligent workers do just fine without unions. in fact, they do better when their areas are not unionized, as unions tend to depress wages and employment.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

    coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.
    that's a big stretch, even from Moore.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    that's a big stretch, even from Moore.
    well folks like Moore tend to see economic interactions as zero sum and depend on the labor theory of value. so, the fact that someone makes a profit off of getting more people to buy a better product for a lower price means that they are, in fact, stealing from those people... by increasing their standard of living.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.

    coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.
    Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.
    CEOs deal with the rules of the road. If Obama really cared about working class americans he would use things like the tax laws to make it more costly to manufacture abroad. He would have pressed for a health care system that is not employer based. There are a lot of things that Obama could do, but then he would not have CEOs to use as whipping posts for people like you.

    It is always hard to know people's backgrounds dealing with the internet. My sense is that you have not been a decisionmaker at a major corporation. If you had you would have a better appreciation for the considerations people make when decided where to source a product.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.

    In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.

    Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
    stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yeah, right! The rich CEO's of all the major corporations have their merchandise made in China and other places leaving the middle class without any manufacturing jobs. That is the heist.
    why would you want a higher cost of living and a crappy job pushing the same screw in 26,487 times a day for less pay?

    no thanks, let them take the menial factory jobs.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?
    becausethat is what we in the military call "the reality on he ground". the democrats in office give the workers a raise of 10%, the unions see their cut go up 10%, and the democrats running for office see their cut go up 10%.

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