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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Unions are supported by dues paid by members, not by government. I can see where you're coming from, of course. Taxpayers pay wages to teachers, firefighters, and cops, and they in turn pay union dues, therefore, according to your line of reasoning, unions are paid for by taxpayers. You could apply that same line of reasoning to anything that the above groups of people buy: They by lunch at McDonalds, therefore, taxpayers are paying for Mcdonalds. They buy a boat, and therefore the taxpayers are buying a boat. That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
    You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.

    In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.

    Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Well, anyone without extreme partisan blinders and a Pavlovian response to the word "union."
    Public unions, not private unions and there is a difference

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    He’s clinging to that spurious reasoning like it were a life raft isn’t he?
    Learn the difference between the private and public unions yet? Do liberals ever admit when wrong?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Learn the difference between the private and public unions yet? Do liberals ever admit when wrong?

    Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]

    HOoT!! Look at conservative trying to shift the goal post “Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions” and compulsory unionism with a 1999 link.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    HOoT!! Look at conservative trying to shift the goal post “Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions” and compulsory unionism with a 1999 link.
    What does the year have to do with it, what has changed?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Learn the difference between the private and public unions yet? Do liberals ever admit when wrong?

    Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
    The Mackinaw center is a joke. A really bad joke. Here is another one of a different kind ... a rather funny one which describes my reaction to your obsession with this topic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Mackinaw center is a joke. A really bad joke. Here is another one of a different kind ... a rather funny one which describes my reaction to your obsession with this topic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAp-T8Gklw0
    Why, because it lays out the differences between public and private sector unions? What is wrong in that article and be specific? Who do public sector unions compete against for wages and benefits? How many public sector unions lost their jobs because govt. went out of business? What are the options that the citizens have for the taxdollars they spend?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why, because it lays out the differences between public and private sector unions? What is wrong in that article and be specific? Who do public sector unions compete against for wages and benefits? How many public sector unions lost their jobs because govt. went out of business? What are the options that the citizens have for the taxdollars they spend?
    Did you miss my answer to your questions?

    Go back and click on the link in post 1816. Its all there for you.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did you miss my answer to your questions?

    Go back and click on the link in post 1816. Its all there for you.
    Mackinac isn't the answer to the question. Like all liberals you do nothing but divert. what exactly in that article is inaccurate. As usual you have to destroy the author while ignoring the content. That is a losing argument these days. Keep running, Haymarket, because that is what liberal Democrat state representative employees do.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What does the year have to do with it, what has changed?
    Here,the first sentance from your link.(When the NLRA was being drafted and debated in the 1930s, a central question was whether or not compulsory unionism should apply to government employees.)Notice the word unionism?

    Their comments on Unions, are in a different context than what we are discussing Unions in. Theirs are, that there should be no public sector Unions at all. Though its pretty lame of them discussing the military in the same breath of Unions. It is what it is.
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