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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I sure did, it had the standard lie in it implying that public employees are overpaid, when we both know that isnít so.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    I guess you forgot what was posted earlier in, I believe it was in this thread but in case you inadvertently overlooked it here it is yet again for your perusal.

    <To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsinís private sector.>

    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    By the way, did i overlook the post where you showed me the diff between public and private sector Unions?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Tell me who funds public union benefits in Wisconsin even if you won't buy that the taxpayers fund their salaries which include their union dues.
    Who would fund them if the workers were not union?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I guess you forgot what was posted earlier in, I believe it was in this thread but in case you inadvertently overlooked it here it is yet again for your perusal.

    <To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsin’s private sector.>

    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    By the way, did i overlook the post where you showed me the diff between public and private sector Unions?
    Apparently in your world benefits aren't part of compensation because with benefits the public unions of Wisconsin blow private sector away. Doesn't really matter to you though since you don't pay any of those expenses. That is a lot like 47% of the public not paying any FIT thus not worrying about raising taxes on the rest of the income earners.

    Yep, apparently you overlooked it a few times, suggest paying closer attention although with your obsession for me I don't know how you could have missed it.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Who would fund them if the workers were not union?
    The workers would contribute unlike now.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Apparently in your world benefits aren't part of compensation because with benefits the public unions of Wisconsin blow private sector away. Doesn't really matter to you though since you don't pay any of those expenses. That is a lot like 47% of the public not paying any FIT thus not worrying about raising taxes on the rest of the income earners.

    Yep, apparently you overlooked it a few times, suggest paying closer attention although with your obsession for me I don't know how you could have missed it.

    Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
    I guess you must have overlooked this part of my link THAT DESCRIBES WISCONSIN wages and benefits eh?Why am i not surprised.

    <Although some non wage benefits are more generous in the public sector, it is a serious error to imagine that comparability requires that each and every element of compensation is the same. What is important is that considering both the cost of employer-provided non wage benefits and direct wages, public sector workers in Wisconsin earn less in annual or hourly compensation than they would earn in the private sector.>
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    You really don't understand public unions and no matter how many times you claim it that doesn't make it true, taxpayers fund public unions indirectly through public union employees. That seems to be a problem here for you and others, this is about public unions not private unions.
    Unions are supported by dues paid by members, not by government. I can see where you're coming from, of course. Taxpayers pay wages to teachers, firefighters, and cops, and they in turn pay union dues, therefore, according to your line of reasoning, unions are paid for by taxpayers. You could apply that same line of reasoning to anything that the above groups of people buy: They by lunch at McDonalds, therefore, taxpayers are paying for Mcdonalds. They buy a boat, and therefore the taxpayers are buying a boat. That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    That line of reasoning is spurious, of course, as anyone can see.
    Well, almost anyone.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Well, almost anyone.
    Heís clinging to that spurious reasoning like it were a life raft isnít he?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Well, almost anyone.
    Well, anyone without extreme partisan blinders and a Pavlovian response to the word "union."
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