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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Actually unemployment numbers are understated because they don't count the discouraged workers and individual business owners and contract workers that lost their jobs as well. Some of those are counted in the U-6 numbers which shows a truer picture of the problem we have today.

    I retired as well from the private sector after 35 years in the business world. I am a proponent of capitalism and free enterprise, not the massive expansion of govt. and the entitlement state promoted by liberalism. Our economy is consumer driven and with a growing population and labor market as you pointed out it is imperative that the Administration focus on incentive for the private sector which this Administration refuses to do. They are filled with ideologues who believe in a socialist utopia that never exists.

    There are four components to GDP and consumer consumption is the major component and that is what creates most of the jobs. People with more of their own money create jobs through increasing demand and also reducing demand for govt. "Help" which really doesn't help at all but instead creates dependence.

    The way to create jobs in this environment is to create incentive for new entities and inventions. The best way to do that is to reward individual wealth creation. Obama doesn't seem to understand that concept and believes govt. is the answer when govt. is the problem
    Funny that nobody on the right was bitching about that when Bush was in office. Gee, I wonder why?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Funny that nobody on the right was bitching about that when Bush was in office. Gee, I wonder why?
    What do you want us to bitch about, growing economy, growing employment, national security? Bush is no longer in office, you need to man up and address Obama's results?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Interesting numbers on union membership from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Notice the difference between public and private sector union membership. Says a lot about unions

    Union Members Summary

    Cherry picking again i see.Note the bolded part of the snip.I believe we will see Union membership on the rise again in the near future,thanks to scot walker.

    <Earnings

    In 2010, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual
    weekly earnings of $917, while those who were not represented by unions had median
    weekly earnings of $717.
    (See table 2.) In addition to coverage by a collective bar-
    gaining agreement, the difference reflects a variety of influences including varia-
    tions in the distributions of union members and nonunion employees by occupation, in-
    dustry, firm size, or geographic region.>

    Union Members Summary
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Cherry picking again i see.Note the bolded part of the snip.I believe we will see Union membership on the rise again in the near future,thanks to scot walker.

    <Earnings

    In 2010, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual
    weekly earnings of $917, while those who were not represented by unions had median
    weekly earnings of $717.
    (See table 2.) In addition to coverage by a collective bar-
    gaining agreement, the difference reflects a variety of influences including varia-
    tions in the distributions of union members and nonunion employees by occupation, in-
    dustry, firm size, or geographic region.>

    Union Members Summary
    I find it interesting that someone like you who doesn't live in Wisconsin is so concerned about what is going on in Wisconsin. That normally is the case with liberals, it doesn't cost you a dime therefore why do you care what it costs others? Typical liberalism

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    So you don't have an answer? Fine, I knew that all along. As is typical of you and your one line responses, you offer nothing. Some people definitely need unions and are overly dependent on them. You appear to be one of those people who relies on the union to keep you employed. Doesn't look like you understand the difference between public and private unions and collective bargaining differences. Unions caused the destruction of Detroit and it appears you won't be happy until they destroy states as well.
    I am going to jump in here if that is okay, part of my working life "25" years was spent as a manager and part of it as a union member "15" so I have a good perspective from both sides of the fence. First contracts are negotiated the auto manufacturing companies did not have to and should not have signed a contract that would not allow them to make a profit. Detroit did not retool their assembly lines and produced an automobile that did not have the fuel economy or reliability that could compete with foreign car manufacturers. As a manager I saw some pretty bad upper management policies just like what went on in Detroit. If you have a manufacturing line that requires more man power and still can not produce the same quality and quantity as your competitor pardon the expression but you are in deep water.

    A manager has the responsibility to promote a working environment that is conducive to getting the work done in a timely professional standard, workers are people and react to the working environment . A manager that plays favorites and does not apply fair and equal discipline will find his/her self with a real problem, to many managers have poor people skills.

    All employees need to be held accountable for their work quality and productivity, if they are not productive if their workmanship is below standard they need to be taken aside and talked to, maybe they have a problem outside of work that is effecting their work performance or maybe they just need to be talked to, being in a union does not give anyone a life time job, union members can be fired by following a disciplinary procedure.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I find it interesting that someone like you who doesn't live in Wisconsin is so concerned about what is going on in Wisconsin. That normally is the case with liberals, it doesn't cost you a dime therefore why do you care what it costs others? Typical liberalism

    And I find it interesting that you didn’t address anything that I posted. I wonder why?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    And I find it interesting that you didn’t address anything that I posted. I wonder why?
    There is nothing to address, union membership has been declining for years. You speculated that will change, that is your opinion, history will judge. again you ignore that this is about public unions paid by the taxpayers, not private sector unions. Guess you don't know the difference.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    There is nothing to address, union membership has been declining for years. You speculated that will change, that is your opinion, history will judge. again you ignore that this is about public unions paid by the taxpayers, not private sector unions. Guess you don't know the difference.
    seriously? down this path again?? the unions are not, no matter how bad you want them to be, are not, for the third time, are NOT PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS....This is a construct of your imagination, something you are trying to use to make unions look bad...you know that there is no truth to what you are saying, and that you are trying to propagate a LIE....why do you continue to trot ths obvious LIE out? are you so desparate for anything to smear the unions, that you will throw out anything and see what sticks? simply unbelievable.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Funny that nobody on the right was bitching about that when Bush was in office. Gee, I wonder why?
    Yes, people all over the right were bitching about the fact that Bush was far too supportive of the invasion of the United States by another nation, and that he flatly refused to enforce border security in the aftermath of September 11th, even though that path was the second simplest route by which unobserved terrorists can enter the United States. A whole wing of the party stood up against Bush's and McCain's repeated efforts to give amnesty to the criminal aliens infesting our land. A large part of that opposition was due to the jobs the invaders have taken from Americans and the money they're sending out of the country and the services they're consuming but not paying for.

    Your claim that no one the right bitched about Bush's policies is something dropped out the back end of the Democrat donkey.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    seriously? down this path again?? the unions are not, no matter how bad you want them to be, are not, for the third time, are NOT PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS....This is a construct of your imagination, something you are trying to use to make unions look bad...you know that there is no truth to what you are saying, and that you are trying to propagate a LIE....why do you continue to trot ths obvious LIE out? are you so desparate for anything to smear the unions, that you will throw out anything and see what sticks? simply unbelievable.
    Public employee unions are paid for by taxpayers. The people who are supposed to represent the taxpayers are in fact whores who sell theif votes to the unions, who demand closed shop, monopoly power, and exclusivity in wage demands ("bargaining" is not the correct word to use).

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