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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    really? i'm doing fairly well for myself and I would say I am extremely competent, having been meritoriously promoted and then entrusted with a highly sensitive position. My younger brother works at the non-unionized Toyota Plant in Kentucky and he is doing very well for himself, having earned a job straight out of college that it takes most engineers a few years to make. my father is a minister, and though not wealthy, is certainly more than capable of supporting himself and saving for retirement. He has 4 languages - two of them dead - under his belt and has turned down promotion 3 times now; i would certainly say he is competent.

    if anything, union membership tends to drive down wages and standards of living.

    Labor jobs not management...again Union labor are the only working americans making a halfway living wage with some security.

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    Union workers private and public are the only working americans making a decent wage and maintaining a level of competence.
    This is just plain incorrect.

    Just one example of so many are the bus crashs that have killed dozens and wounded many more. Non union tour bus drivers UNDERpaid at 8.00 an hr with no benefits are the bottom of the barrel because no one else will take the responsibliity of 45 passengerss for that kind of wage.
    There are dozens maybe hundreds of greyhounds going cross country daily and theres less fatal accidents..why? because they pay a decent wage and acctually have people with a brain not ex convicts that will take the job.
    Just because someone is a felon who's done his time doesn't mean that he can't be a responsible citizen. What proof do you have that these two bus crashes were caused by driver incompetence? And that they were making $8 an hour?

    The Corporations and the rich and influential are succesfully waging classwarfare from the top down. They have created envy and jealousy between public union workers and private non union workers. I find private sector workers MORONS for falling for this, they are the ones that are UNDER paid with no benefits, they should be striving to get what union workers are being paid, not trying to tear them down to their lvl with no benefits and no security.
    The only people who are waging class warfare are unions members. It's one of their favorite talking points. The only thing that influences my personal thoughts about public union workers is the amount of money it costs me on my tax bill. You call private secor workers morons because they're underpaid with no benefits? Who says private workers are underpaid? Who says they get no benefits? You are living in your own little dream world.

    Instead of waging war on working americans, why isnt the teaparty railing and attacking illegal immigration that costs us BILLIONS more than any union public sector workers that are providing us with services NONE of the rich will do themselves....I'm a long time republican who is totally disgusted with this new teaparty that is made of and only for the rich...
    Now that's one I haven't heard before. The Teaparty is made of the rich? Support for this?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Labor jobs not management...again Union labor are the only working americans making a halfway living wage with some security.
    You must be very insulated in your own world, lpast. Check with some Toyota workers....just off the top of my head.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is just plain incorrect.



    Just because someone is a felon who's done his time doesn't mean that he can't be a responsible citizen. What proof do you have that these two bus crashes were caused by driver incompetence? And that they were making $8 an hour?



    The only people who are waging class warfare are unions members. It's one of their favorite talking points. The only thing that influences my personal thoughts about public union workers is the amount of money it costs me on my tax bill. You call private secor workers morons because they're underpaid with no benefits? Who says private workers are underpaid? Who says they get no benefits? You are living in your own little dream world.



    Now that's one I haven't heard before. The Teaparty is made of the rich? Support for this?

    You cannot disprove anything I said by asking questions, that doesnt work...YOU disprove anything ive said and I will respond why your wrong

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You cannot disprove anything I said by asking questions, that doesnt work...YOU disprove anything ive said and I will respond why your wrong
    My job isn't to disprove your ascertains. Your job is to prove them. Otherwise? Just a lota' hot air.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    that is the reason right there...you are not interested in discussion...again, lets just say i know better and leave it at that, pointless having a conversation with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    Union masters!?!?!?!?!?

    You really have no idea how unions work at all. The membership are the bosses of the union. We have monthly meetings and frequent elections. Even contract bargaining positions come from the rank and file.

    You badly need to get educated on this issue if you are going to pontificate about it so much.
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    He don't need no edukashun... he simply channels Beck.

    LOL, you guys are a hoot! Listen, although I may not have total insight to how ALL unions work, I was a Teamster for about 4 years many moons ago. Plus, I see what happens here because it is so transparent....All you need is a union leader saying something in the news and you guys trumpet it word for word like drones.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Labor jobs not management...again Union labor are the only working americans making a halfway living wage with some security.
    What is your experience to make such a claim?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    LOL, you guys are a hoot! Listen, although I may not have total insight to how ALL unions work, I was a Teamster for about 4 years many moons ago. Plus, I see what happens here because it is so transparent....All you need is a union leader saying something in the news and you guys trumpet it word for word like drones.


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    you are correct, you don't have total insight...you know precious little about how unions work....obviously in your 4 year stint in the teamsters, you were not a regular particiapant in meetings, i'd be shocked if you attended one meeting in that whole time, and obviously didnt take the time to educate yourself...tell me j, you have made your opinion well known, that you are anti-union, why take a job in a company that was unionized? seems to me that would have went against everything you stand for. certainly with your ' i don't need no stinkin' union' 'pull myself up by my bootstraps' way of thinking, being the resourceful guy that you are, you could have said 'no thanks' and went and found a non-union job...so...why did you stick around that long?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you are correct, you don't have total insight...you know precious little about how unions work....obviously in your 4 year stint in the teamsters, you were not a regular particiapant in meetings, i'd be shocked if you attended one meeting in that whole time, and obviously didnt take the time to educate yourself...tell me j, you have made your opinion well known, that you are anti-union, why take a job in a company that was unionized? seems to me that would have went against everything you stand for. certainly with your ' i don't need no stinkin' union' 'pull myself up by my bootstraps' way of thinking, being the resourceful guy that you are, you could have said 'no thanks' and went and found a non-union job...so...why did you stick around that long?
    Amazing how you believe unions are so great when their numbers continue to decline. Wonder why?

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