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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Right, and he does that by going to Brazil. Bush proposed the Columbia Free Trade Agreement, Obama goes to Brazil for a vacation. You call that working for America?



    Leadership is about doing what is right, not doing anything to promote unification. You think our allies respect Obama? How about our enemies? Leadership obviously is something you don't understand.




    Reducing the deficit? You mean like cutting it in half by the end of his first term? you do realize he has added more or will have added more to the debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8? Where is the deficit reduction?
    Where is the leadership on the budget? We are half way through 2011 and still no fiscal year 2011 budget, where is it? That budget was due last year when Democrats controlled Congress. Guess Obama preferred to delegate authority which leaders can never do.



    The world is changing, the U.S. lacks the leadership it used to have and our enemies no longer have a reason to fear us. Obama doesn't want to make our enemies mad but instead prefers to alienate our friends.




    Let me know when Obama decides to step, he likes being President, when is he going to act like a President. The Obama rhetoric is trumped by the actual results. Where are the jobs promised? where is the deficit reduction? Where are examples of the world loving us? He is nothing more than an empty suite with empty rhetoric trumped by actual results. Let me know how that hope and change is working out of the 15 million Americans now unemployed, 3 million more than when he took office.
    President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people. This mess we are in did not start on Jan 9, 2009 it has been in the making since Nixon started courting the Chinese and took root in 2001 when we gave them Most Favored Nation status.

    In order to resolve a problem you have to identify it, the deficit is a symptom, unemployment is a symptom the root cause is that our manufacting base and many white collor jobs are gone and they are not coming back.

    I don't claim to know why we have allowed our work to be out sourced, but the fact is we have and still are, I won't lay any of it on the door step of any political party, maybe the end result of a global based economy will benefit every one but for now our economy is sufferiing the lost of jobs due to it.

    Without descent paying jobs the deficit will continue to climb, cutting pay for federal and state employees will act as a stop gap but our recovery depends on jobs for Americans,

    Our in fighting will only result in more in fighting, deficit reduction fueled by laying off employees will not fix the problem only increased employment opportunities will

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people. This mess we are in did not start on Jan 9, 2009 it has been in the making since Nixon started courting the Chinese and took root in 2001 when we gave them Most Favored Nation status.

    In order to resolve a problem you have to identify it, the deficit is a symptom, unemployment is a symptom the root cause is that our manufacting base and many white collor jobs are gone and they are not coming back.

    I don't claim to know why we have allowed our work to be out sourced, but the fact is we have and still are, I won't lay any of it on the door step of any political party, maybe the end result of a global based economy will benefit every one but for now our economy is sufferiing the lost of jobs due to it.

    Without descent paying jobs the deficit will continue to climb, cutting pay for federal and state employees will act as a stop gap but our recovery depends on jobs for Americans,

    Our in fighting will only result in more in fighting, deficit reduction fueled by laying off employees will not fix the problem only increased employment opportunities will
    You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results, why? His number one job is to create an atmosphere for the private sector to create jobs, he has failed miserably. Creating public sector jobs is offset by the cost to the taxpayer to fund those jobs, not much of a gain if any.

    I am results oriented and the results are there for all to see. Do the research and stop buying the rhetoric.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    President Obama could change colors and walk on water and that still would not satisfy some people.
    They would rip into him for not swimming like a good white person would.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the Obama results, why? His number one job is to create an atmosphere for the private sector to create jobs, he has failed miserably. Creating public sector jobs is offset by the cost to the taxpayer to fund those jobs, not much of a gain if any.

    I am results oriented and the results are there for all to see. Do the research and stop buying the rhetoric.
    Show me the President Obama economic rhetoric I am buying. What atmosphere would you see that would bring the work that has been out sourced back? What atmosphere do you see that would encourage investment in America, if all you can do is point at the deficit you have no solutions. Bringing the deficit under control will not create jobs. I will wait patiently for your responce

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Obama's goal is a single payer system which is basically the European model(far leftwing) that has failed to lower costs and improve quality. In order to get there he started with Obamacare, that is incrementalism.
    Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.
    President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it
    While I would like to have seen him push harder too, what realistically could he have done faced with the conservative opposition? The blue dog democrats allowed the Republicans to shut down a one payer system option.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    President Obama's greatest strength may be his greatest weakness, I think as with the health care plan he was to willing to negotiate.He had the ability to push health care through and choose not to take advantage of it
    Again showing he has absolutely zero leadership skills.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Thaty is because Obama was not able to achieve the goal of a single payer system, which is basically what every advanced nation in the world has except for the US, you know, all those nations that pay less and get more.
    You mean all those nations trying to dissolve their single payer system and has high tax rates along with people fleeing to this country for healthcare?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Show me the President Obama economic rhetoric I am buying. What atmosphere would you see that would bring the work that has been out sourced back? What atmosphere do you see that would encourage investment in America, if all you can do is point at the deficit you have no solutions. Bringing the deficit under control will not create jobs. I will wait patiently for your responce
    a trillion dollar incentive program for the private sector, not Obamacare, not bailout of unions, not targeted tax cuts. the only way to get out of this mess is to grow your way out of it.

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