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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You were forced too because I and others like me have been pointing out how... unconservative many of your views are. I applaud your move to a more honest labeling of where and who you are.
    When he finally admits he's slightly liberal, I'll applaud.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

    State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

    “I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

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    I'm certainly not an expert. But, i've been reading about this meeting since early this morning. So, public notice was provided for well in advance of 2 hours:

    (3) Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.
    Additionally, i'm not so sure it would be hard to prove that it would be impractical to provide the notice sooner. Shrug, guess we'll find out.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And if the Democratic legislators now return to Wisconsin, the first order of business tomorrow morning should be to bring this legislation to a vote again, just to be absolutely sure.
    So pretty much either way...........



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Umm...the first budget that he proposed which every Republican voted against and yet contributed heavily to the decline of the budget deficit and to the surplus that he left George W. Bush. It was called: the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.
    there was no surplus. in no year did the national debt go down.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Umm...the first budget that he proposed which every Republican voted against and yet contributed heavily to the decline of the budget deficit and to the surplus that he left George W. Bush. It was called: the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.
    So without the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.......the 1990's economy would have tanked.

    .....lol. Are you begining to realize BJ had nothing to do with the economic boom?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they meet in Wisconsin, hopefully the minority leader is arrested and summoned to the Capitol, along with anyone else who has returned. Then they can vote again and there won't be any question about its legality.
    We might not agree with their tactics but AFAIK they haven't broken any laws. As such I wouldn't agree with them being arrested. And Arresting them only to deliver them up to the Capitol and then forced to vote is imo nothing more than coersion. So I disagree with that even more.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It will stand up if the quorum requirements are only for funding.
    That's why they couldn't vote on the entire bill.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    We might not agree with their tactics but AFAIK they haven't broken any laws. As such I wouldn't agree with them being arrested. And Arresting them only to deliver them up to the Capitol and then forced to vote is imo nothing more than coersion. So I disagree with that even more.
    As far as I know, virtually every state (including Wisconsin) allows for the legislature to call a quorum and summon all absent members. That's why they all fled to Illinois in the first place, instead of just staying home and not showing up for Congress.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Frankly I don't give a god damn. The schools are there to educate the students, not to provide teachers with jobs. I only care about their job security inasmuch as it encourages qualified people to become teachers in the first place.



    Have you ever set foot in an inner-city school? I have. There are some schools where over half the teachers are awful.

    Personally I went to high school in a relatively well-off suburban area, and even in my school, there were plenty of bad teachers. Bad teachers certainly are common, and are the single biggest school-related factor that can impede a child's education.



    Huh? You're saying all non-tenured are bad? Or that there aren't any bad teachers with tenure?

    The bottom line of your post is simple: It's all about the teachers. Who gives a **** about the students, the reason for the schools' existence is to be a make-work program for teachers.
    Yes, I have set foot in an inner city school. One of my relatives worked in one and when I didn't have school, they would take me with them...I have spent many many days and hours in inner city schools. Furthermore, before he died, in fact, my father was the principal of an inner-city school - rated one of the best in the city. I know a lot about what happens in them, how government treats the students, the incompetent policies government lets go in there and yes, even a few incompetent teachers (most of whom do NOT have tenure).

    I also know that many of the teachers who choose to go to inner city school care more about the students than any of the faux student support people on this board and they fight for collective bargaining alongside with fighting government neglect of the students who they buy supplies for.

    I meant to say that if they cared about the students, they would have fired all of the INCOMPETENT (I forgot a word) non-tenured teachers, which they haven't...at all.

    Oh as far as my bottom line: you have no idea who I care about and who those teachers care about. Get off of your high horse. I was lucky enough to have a great education and it pisses me OFF when I see other people screwed out of that simply because they were born into a low-income family.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As far as I know, virtually every state (including Wisconsin) allows for the legislature to call a quorum and summon all absent members. That's why they all fled to Illinois in the first place, instead of just staying home and not showing up for Congress.
    But does calling for a quorum require them to show up no matter where they are? Or is it up to them if they show up or not? Calling for a quorom and attaining one are two different beasts.

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