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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's a violation of federal law; but why is it any more a violation of the workers' rights than making membership in a union a condition of employment. if a workplace says "if you work here, you can't organize into a union" then that is no more or less coercive than them saying, "if you work here, you must organize into a union."



    the utter implausibility of your claims that janitors and bus drivers are coming in with more than $100 million in small amounts of cash and giving it to their unions cause they just like them.
    not sure i follow you on the last part, but yes, voluntary contributions do net a fair amount of cash....whether you believe that or not, i can't help, except to ask you a few questions...have you belonged to a union? i believe the answer to be NO, so , your knowledge on how the unions raise money for political activities is extremely limited, to say the least....quite a few folks have money taken out of their checks in my union, for v-cap, those amounts range from a couple of dollars a week to sometimes 50-100 dollars a month, and this is above and beyond the dues they pay. i'm sure this is the same in all other unions when it comes to funding political activities. as for the first part, the employee has the CHOICE right at the beginning of employment, to either work in the shop, and join the union, or to say no thankyou, if they honestly have that big of a problem working in a union shop. and yes, a shop owner would be violating federal law by telling workers that no they can't join a union if they work for him...that is not his choice, it is the CHOICE OF THOSE WORKING IN THE SHOP TO FORM A UNION OR NOT, i believe you know and understand this.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Americans usually vote for the incumbent for president if a crappy opposition is put up. Frankly, at this point, the only viable republicans who could beat Obama are the boring ones who nobody will like.
    This incumbent has terrible results and that will make the choice easier. It will be the Obama agenda and results that decide the 2012 elections more than the candidate the GOP runs, IMO

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Yet, Obama is imposing a far left ideology on a center right country. He is exactly who his resume said he was and the people ignored it but are now waking up. Your vision of the country and his is contrary to the majority in this country. People bought the "hope and change" message but their definition of change was different than Obama's. We are seeing the results of the Obama definition and it is being rejected. The November 2010 elections were a start.
    I think if you actually did see a far left agenda you would collapse in fright. Anybody who truly believes President Obama is pursuing a far left agenda is completely and totally ignorant of what the left wants and advocates. It is ample evidence of the far right nature of your beliefs that you would confuse the two.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet, Obama is imposing a far left ideology on a center right country.
    I'll remember that the next time I read that Obama compromised on tax cuts for the rich, riepointed Gates, Giethner and Bernanke who were all under Bush and have held the same economic politices.

    Sure some of what Obama has done might have been "left wing".

    But all in all to say he's "Imposing" anything gives him far too much credit there sport. He's not a dictator.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'll remember that the next time I read that Obama compromised on tax cuts for the rich, riepointed Gates, Giethner and Bernanke who were all under Bush and have held the same economic politices.

    Sure some of what Obama has done might have been "left wing".

    But all in all to say he's "Imposing" anything gives him far too much credit there sport. He's not a dictator.
    Obama economic policy is far from center, he was forced into extending the Bush tax cuts by his own party. Obamacare and the stimulus were far left policies and the results are quite telling, something his supporters refuse to discuss.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I think if you actually did see a far left agenda you would collapse in fright. Anybody who truly believes President Obama is pursuing a far left agenda is completely and totally ignorant of what the left wants and advocates. It is ample evidence of the far right nature of your beliefs that you would confuse the two.
    Obamacare, the stimulus, wealth redistribution efforts, cap and trade, foreign appeasement are far left policies.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare
    One could argue it's far left policy.

    However, forcing people to buy a private product which is what Obamacare is, is not my idea of a left wing policy.

    I believe the mandate to be the real issue with Obamacare. And I have found it to be unconstitutional at this point. But it is not a "left wing policy".

    stimulus
    Please explain how the stimulus is a "left wing policy".

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I think if you actually did see a far left agenda you would collapse in fright. Anybody who truly believes President Obama is pursuing a far left agenda is completely and totally ignorant of what the left wants and advocates. It is ample evidence of the far right nature of your beliefs that you would confuse the two.
    Exactly. Obama is neither as "liberal" as his further left supporters would like nor as his opponents paint him to be. Whether he gets a second term or not depends more on the economy and on who his opponent is than on how well he governs for the next year.

    Bush I did a more creditable job than most of the POTUS immediately before and after, yet did not win reelection.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    not sure i follow you on the last part, but yes, voluntary contributions do net a fair amount of cash....whether you believe that or not, i can't help, except to ask you a few questions...have you belonged to a union? i believe the answer to be NO, so , your knowledge on how the unions raise money for political activities is extremely limited, to say the least....quite a few folks have money taken out of their checks in my union, for v-cap, those amounts range from a couple of dollars a week to sometimes 50-100 dollars a month, and this is above and beyond the dues they pay. i'm sure this is the same in all other unions when it comes to funding political activities. as for the first part, the employee has the CHOICE right at the beginning of employment, to either work in the shop, and join the union, or to say no thankyou, if they honestly have that big of a problem working in a union shop. and yes, a shop owner would be violating federal law by telling workers that no they can't join a union if they work for him...that is not his choice, it is the CHOICE OF THOSE WORKING IN THE SHOP TO FORM A UNION OR NOT, i believe you know and understand this.
    Unions don't own the job.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare, the stimulus, wealth redistribution efforts, cap and trade, foreign appeasement are far left policies.
    Actually they are not.

    The health care compromise is not at all what liberals and progressives wanted. We wanted single payer for everyone and not what we ended up with. Strike one on you.
    The stimulus was far short of what many of us advocated and did not go nearly far enough in many areas especially in creating new jobs. Strike two on you.
    What wealth redistribution? I have seen none. Many of us wanted the tax cuts on the wealthy to bite the big one and even be increased but Obama never gave us either. Strike three on you.

    Foreign appeasement? What the hell are you talking about? So you get an extra strike.

    And you are out.
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