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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Like I said, approval polls mean nothing, the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 2012. Obama's poll numbers are greater than Ronald Reagan had going for his second term.
    Much of the Debt and Deficit that you whine about was caused by Bush, you just can't legitimately blame it all on Obama.
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    The elections in 2010 mattered as well. Public approval polls do mean something. They tell the administration statistically how most Americans feel. In a democracy the opinion of the people is something that is important. True, Bush did raise the deficit, but Obama has raised it by far more than any president in history. You say we can't blame it all on Obama, yet you are quick to blame the Republican Speaker of the House who has to work with a Democrat Senate and Executive branch.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The elections in 2010 mattered as well. Public approval polls do mean something. They tell the administration statistically how most Americans feel. In a democracy the opinion of the people is something that is important. True, Bush did raise the deficit, but Obama has raised it by far more than any president in history. You say we can't blame it all on Obama, yet you are quick to blame the Republican Speaker of the House who has to work with a Democrat Senate and Executive branch.
    I wonder how Obama supporters explain the drop in support from the 52% that voted for Obama? Could it be that more and more people are fed up with the rhetoric and actually looking at results?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I wonder how Obama supporters explain the drop in support from the 52% that voted for Obama? Could it be that more and more people are fed up with the rhetoric and actually looking at results?
    That's easy, many of his supporters are not happy with his centrist polices, but that doesn't mean they will vote for a regressive Republican. That was my point. His poll numbers would be much higher if he been more liberal.

    Who is going to beat him??

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's easy, many of his supporters are not happy with his centrist polices, but that doesn't mean they will vote for a regressive Republican. That was my point. His poll numbers would be much higher if he been more liberal.

    Who is going to beat him??
    Yep, you keep believing that this country is a left leaning one. Obama would have never been elected were it not for his rhetoric which led many to believe he was a moderate or centrist. Flowering rhetoric trumped his resume which his results now show to be accurate. You are not in the majority in this country no matter what you think. You have spent way too much time in the leftwing areas of Oregon. Maybe you ought to spend a little time in "Flyover" country.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now, since Fox is doing well due to the "birthers" why is it that liberal media is doing so poorly as that still leaves a lot of the public that still is there buying the Obama rhetoric? could it be that it isn't truly 51% of the registered voters that are watching Fox but instead people are watching Fox because they are sick and tired of the liberal spin coming from the rest of the networks? you see, trust but verify is what conservatives do and when you verify the Obama rhetoric you find results that don't measure up. You ought to try it some time. Name for me an economic or foreign relations success for Obama?
    They watch it because people only want to watch things that don't challenge their opinions. It's complacency and laziness that leads to Fox News viewership.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    They watch it because people only want to watch things that don't challenge their opinions. It's complacency and laziness that leads to Fox News viewership.
    LOL, yeah, right. Fox makes liberals crazy and that is good enough for me. Fox is what liberals use to divert from the real issues. Watching Fox is a personal choice and apparently more and more are exercising that choice and that just makes liberals crazier. Guess it is easier for liberals to focus on Fox than address real issues and actual results.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Except with the liberal media that seems to be so arrogant that they refuse to change and give the people what they want which is the truth, not more rhetoric and promises.
    If that's really true, then media will lose viewers, the advertisers will go elsewhere, and the "liberal media" will be a thing of the past. It's called competition, and it is inherent in a capitalist enterprise, like broadcasting. Broadcasters have to give the public what it wants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama won the 2008 elections with 52% of the vote, he has lost much of that support due to performance and results. To make it any other issue is just a diversion. The people that supported him who now won't vote to re-elect him are seeing the results. Those that continue to support him still hear the rhetoric. Notice the difference?
    There are super partisans on both sides that wouldn't vote for the opposing party under any circumstances. Those in the middle can be swayed one way or the other, but the Republicans are going to have to do better than Palin or Gingrich if they're going to prevail in the next election. Who do you think is going to run?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If that's really true, then media will lose viewers, the advertisers will go elsewhere, and the "liberal media" will be a thing of the past. It's called competition, and it is inherent in a capitalist enterprise, like broadcasting. Broadcasters have to give the public what it wants.



    There are super partisans on both sides that wouldn't vote for the opposing party under any circumstances. Those in the middle can be swayed one way or the other, but the Republicans are going to have to do better than Palin or Gingrich if they're going to prevail in the next election. Who do you think is going to run?
    The fact is the MSM including NY Times, CNN, MSNBC are losing viewers and losing money. That says it all. The fact remains Obama has lost significant support from the 52% he got in the last election and that is due to results as people hearing the flowering rhetoric are verifying that rhetoric by seeing results. Results matter and they aren't pretty. The Blame Bush rhetoric isn't working any more. On the plus side however Obama's golf game is improving.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The fact is the MSM including NY Times, CNN, MSNBC are losing viewers and losing money. That says it all. The fact remains Obama has lost significant support from the 52% he got in the last election and that is due to results as people hearing the flowering rhetoric are verifying that rhetoric by seeing results. Results matter and they aren't pretty. The Blame Bush rhetoric isn't working any more. On the plus side however Obama's golf game is improving.
    Americans usually vote for the incumbent for president if a crappy opposition is put up. Frankly, at this point, the only viable republicans who could beat Obama are the boring ones who nobody will like.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Americans usually vote for the incumbent for president if a crappy opposition is put up. Frankly, at this point, the only viable republicans who could beat Obama are the boring ones who nobody will like.

    Long time between now and Iowa, or NH. I'd say the safe bet is to wait and see.

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