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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Right, 142.2 million employed in January 2009 vs 139.4 million employed today, put that into context? Why are they what they are? Hmmm, could it be that the Obama economic plan was and is a disaster?
    There are multiple factors that affect employment and employment is not always a direct indicator of the state/recovery of the economy. In fact, unemployment can continue to fall while the economy is recovering. In other words, an economic recovery does not just give business all the money they need to start hiring people. For those numbers to mean something, you have to show how Obama's economic plan directly caused unemployment to fall. Correlation =/=causation.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    prime example right here of what you do...you just threw numbers out there...yes, i would like to see you put that into context, it would be refreshing.
    Context is that when Obama took office there were 142.2 million employed Americans. After spending over a trillion dollars there are 139.4 million employed Americans. Never in the history of this country has employment been this bad after spending so much money to solve the problem. Guess that isn't the context you want to hear.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There are multiple factors that affect employment and employment is not always a direct indicator of the state/recovery of the economy. In fact, unemployment can continue to fall while the economy is recovering. In other words, an economic recovery does not just give business all the money they need to start hiring people. For those numbers to mean something, you have to show how Obama's economic plan directly caused unemployment to fall. Correlation =/=causation.
    Obama's economic policy did not allow employment to grow as it was focused on the public sector with targeted tax policy. The best comparision I can make is the recession Obama had vs. the recession Reagan had. IMO Reagan's was worse because of 17+% interest rates and double digit inflation. Two years after the recession began we had both economic growth and job creation. Two years after the recession ended we still have fewer people working than we had when Obama took office. That is hardly a success.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Context is that when Obama took office there were 142.2 million employed Americans. After spending over a trillion dollars there are 139.4 million employed Americans. Never in the history of this country has employment been this bad after spending so much money to solve the problem. Guess that isn't the context you want to hear.
    shows that you have no idea why the numbers are what they are, what factors contributed to them, ....saying that it is obamas fault isnt explaining the underlying factors...nor showing that you understand them.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    shows that you have no idea why the numbers are what they are, what factors contributed to them, ....saying that it is obamas fault isnt explaining the underlying factors...nor showing that you understand them.
    Then tell me why they are what they are now after spending a trillion dollars to create jobs?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Then tell me why they are what they are now after spending a trillion dollars to create jobs?
    uh...no...you are the one that put the numbers up, do your homework, then explain to me what you think they mean...i'll give ya a hint, it is more complicated than 'it's obama's fault'.....

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    uh...no...you are the one that put the numbers up, do your homework, then explain to me what you think they mean...i'll give ya a hint, it is more complicated than 'it's obama's fault'.....
    Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?
    1. Explain how Obama's economic plan increased unemployment.
    2. What are all the factors that contribute to unemployment rate after a recession?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. Explain how Obama's economic plan increased unemployment.
    2. What are all the factors that contribute to unemployment rate after a recession?
    It didn't increase employment, it did nothing to provide incentive to the private sector to create jobs. What did we spend a trillion dollars for? What did he add 3.5 trillion to the debt for?

    I am more concerned about employment than unemployment. Employment generates tax revenue and is the sign of a growing economy. there are almost 3 million fewer employed today than in January 2009 and he spent trillions to generate those numbers. When are you and others going to hold him accountable for failure?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Very simple, it means the Obama economic plan was a disaster. No one blames Obama for the recession, just the economic policy that failed to create the promised jobs and in fact has fewer people employed today than when he took office. That is a failure by any definition. It has been well over two years and what do we have to show for all that spending?
    lol...what did i say?? see the hint i gave you, saying that it is obama's fault isnt going to cut it...do your research....you claim to be an expert on anything economic, this should be a slam dunk for you.

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