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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Why did you turn down a chance for a controlled debate?
    I have been in this forum for a long, long time and know Donc quite well. He has no interest in honest debate and my time is worth a lot more than wasting it on him. He has yet to prove worthy of spending any more time with him, do a research of his posts and get back to me.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why is it that liberals are afraid of data from verifiable, non partisan sites? Hmmm
    Raw data is meaningless, it has to be analyzed like this:

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Raw data is meaningless, it has to be analyzed like this:

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
    Raw data isn't the issue at all, it is what it is, 15 million unemployed Americans today regardless of how you spin it. Worst job loss on record AT the time is irrelevant to what we have today. Bush never had 15 million unemployed Americans and 2 million fewer employed two years after taking office. Bush Job creation was a NET JOB gain, not a net job loss like we have right now. So spin the spin, for that is what you do.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Raw data is meaningless, it has to be analyzed like this:

    Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
    Here is what your article ignores and why it lacks credibility, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employment Numbers

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206
    2011 139323 139573

    Now what your article fails to point out is that when Bush took office there were 137.8 million people employed and when he left it was 142.2 million or a net increase in jobs.

    Obama takes office with 142.2 million employed and today that is 139.3 million. Why don't you tell BLS that they got the data wrong because your article claims 3 million jobs created when the reality is 4.4 million net jobs created as the employment numbers show.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have been in this forum for a long, long time and know Donc quite well. He has no interest in honest debate and my time is worth a lot more than wasting it on him. He has yet to prove worthy of spending any more time with him, do a research of his posts and get back to me.
    cut the bs...you are afraid.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

    Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.
    What large unions did you negotiant with?
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury data are projections in the liberal world but blog sites are factual? No wonder liberalism has no credibility.
    I KNEW IT!!! a whole friggen thread without hitting the “bea.gov, bls.gov” hot key? Impossible.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

    Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.
    in your 'experience' supposedly negotiating contracts with unions whom you claim have 'bloated' with management more concerned with their jobs than anything else...let me ask, were you never concerned for your job...???? perhaps you were a member of 'bloated' company management? and no, not many care what your 'experience' was, how many years you supposedly spent in the business world, or how many 'contracts' you supposedly negoitated...you seem to think that your supposed 'experience' trumps anything anyone else has to say...it doesnt, in case you havent figured that out.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    What large unions did you negotiant with?
    OCAW is the union I negotiated with.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I KNEW IT!!! a whole friggen thread without hitting the “bea.gov, bls.gov” hot key? Impossible.
    If no one ever mentions "bls.gov" in my life ever again, I will be a happy person.

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