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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I actually think the lesson has been learned on both sides regardless of what happens. Unions and management have probably (one would hope) learned that everybody's gotta' give somethin'.
    Agreed. That's why it's called 'bargaining', not 'dictating'.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    When Walker gets recalled, other elected officials will take notice & act accordingly, which means save their own skins.
    If Walker gets the promised results he will not only NOT be recalled but will win the next election in a landslide. Wisconsin needs jobs and public unions don't provide any.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Everybody's decent living could be gone tomorrow. Yours. Mine. Ours.

    To say that unions have done nothing for their members other than keep them down is ridiculous. Maybe thirty years ago that was true. And I'm not even sure about then. Today? Nosomuch. Union shops pay very well; workers have a voice; they are rewarded probably beyond what they would be rewarded without their union. You have obviously never worked in a factory, Conservative, or you wouldn't think the way you do about unions.

    While I agree with you that unions don't usually let the cream rise to the top and that exceptional workers will be sometimes held back by their union membership, the good far outweighs the bad.

    If management negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- if unions negotiates in good faith (they don't always) -- it's a win-win all 'round.

    Private sector unions are a good thing. There are abuses everywhere. Unions get greedy. Workers get greedy. Management caves so the CEO can cash in on his stock options w/o a strike in the wind. But, in the end, the good outweighs the bad, in my opinion.
    I love you like a daughter but a lot of people that control their own destiny are doing quite well. I do agree that there are extremes on both sides I just have zero respect for the union thugs and management that demonizes profit and personal wealth creation. I always believed in the individual and have seen what unions have done to the individual thus have no respect for unions TODAY, not what they did in the past. Like all lliberal groups they go too far and the majority have awakened to that reality.

    This thread is about public unions, not private unions, and that is where the focus should be. There are greedy corporate CEO's just like their are greedy union leaders. Is either greed good? At least with management stock options are results based. Good results mean the company produces and the employees remain employed. What does a private union offer to that scenerio?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
    Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    How exactly does stripping public employee unions of bargaining rights create private sector jobs?
    Public unions don't create jobs, the need for state services does create jobs though.
    Makes the cost of doing business in Wisconsin a lot cheaper. As for the need for state services, who decides what that need is, you?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I love you like a daughter but a lot of people that control their own destiny are doing quite well. I do agree that there are extremes on both sides I just have zero respect for the union thugs and management that demonizes profit and personal wealth creation. I always believed in the individual and have seen what unions have done to the individual thus have no respect for unions TODAY, not what they did in the past. Like all lliberal groups they go too far and the majority have awakened to that reality.

    This thread is about public unions, not private unions, and that is where the focus should be. There are greedy corporate CEO's just like their are greedy union leaders. Is either greed good? At least with management stock options are results based. Good results mean the company produces and the employees remain employed. What does a private union offer to that scenerio?
    Comparing greedy CEOs and greedy union leaders is a faulty comparison. Here is the proper analogy -- Greedy CEOS:Private Unions::Greedy Government:Public Unions. Workers form both types of unions in order to have an organized means of bargaining with their employers in order to protect themselves from working long days under bad conditions with low wages; both types of unions can become corrupt just like ANY institution run by human beings can.

    There are obviously examples of unions who have not helped their members and you often hear union members complain about their unions (even members who wouldn't opt out of a union if given the choice). However, your generalization of the institution based on a few people whose lives have been ruined by unions (I would actually like you to tell these stories because it sounds a little dramatic) shows that you have only examined unions from one perspective and not the entirety of them.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Makes the cost of doing business in Wisconsin a lot cheaper. As for the need for state services, who decides what that need is, you?
    How does it make the cost of doing business cheaper?
    The people dictate the need for state services as a collective.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    How does it make the cost of doing business cheaper?
    The people dictate the need for state services as a collective.
    Read the entire thread topic as this has been discussed and explained. All you are doing is starting over again.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Well, we spend 43% of the world's total. It's still pretty significant.
    That's just 7% away from spending as much as the rest of the world combined. . .
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Comparing greedy CEOs and greedy union leaders is a faulty comparison. Here is the proper analogy -- Greedy CEOS:Private Unions::Greedy Government:Public Unions. Workers form both types of unions in order to have an organized means of bargaining with their employers in order to protect themselves from working long days under bad conditions with low wages; both types of unions can become corrupt just like ANY institution run by human beings can.

    There are obviously examples of unions who have not helped their members and you often hear union members complain about their unions (even members who wouldn't opt out of a union if given the choice). However, your generalization of the institution based on a few people whose lives have been ruined by unions (I would actually like you to tell these stories because it sounds a little dramatic) shows that you have only examined unions from one perspective and not the entirety of them.
    Spent 35 years in the business world and negotiate contracts with large unions. Those large unions are bloated with a management team more concerned about their own jobs than the jobs of others. Unions have outlived their usefulness and are simply in place today to keep people dependent.

    Does it really matter what personal experience I post? Some here will believe it while others won't. Anyone that truly believes unions reward performance is out of touch with reality as unions keep the good employees down and always will.

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