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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is the only post that kills one of my arguments.
    Well I just got here 5 seconds ago.....I can take out the rest of them if you want.

    I should have investigated that harder. The rest of my points still stand though. The greediest love the Republican Party for a reason and the unions are not in any way as evil and damaging as many here are making them out to be.
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    From the Taxpayer......To Liberal Governement.....To Union Slobs.....To The Union.....and back to Liberal Government.

    The days of THE MOB running Wisconsin has come to an end........as it will in Ohio.......lets hope it goes national.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This may be the way out of the deal for the GOP. Pass a bill which is obviously a violation of the State Constitution but save face in doing so. Months from now it is declared as such by the courts and the whole thing just whimpers away while normalcy has returned.
    What law did this violate that will cause it to be overturned?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. Democrats and Republicans both feed greedy ****s (I would never deny this), I have a hard time getting over the fact that the greediest of them all love the Republican Party and not to mention that least greedy of them all are Democrats who encourage the government to increase their taxes.
    You know what's really greedy? Making it impossible to fire even the worst of the worst teachers because there might occasionally be a good teacher who is fired. And who pays for that greed? That's right, the students...in the form of a substandard education.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    What law did this violate that will cause it to be overturned?
    Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

    State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

    “I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. It's no coincidence that the economy thrived under Clinton and tanked gradually throughout Bush's terms and that rich, greedy types tend to flock to the Republican Party. Democrats are not innocent in pandering to corporate interests, but Republicans have the policies that attract them the most. What does a greedy corporation want more than a party the targets unions - see notorious employer Walmart's contribution to Walker's campaign.
    Can you name one Clinton Policy that was responsible for the Economic boom of the 90's?.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know what's really greedy? Making it impossible to fire even the worst of the worst teachers because there might occasionally be a good teacher who is fired. And who pays for that greed? That's right, the students...in the form of a substandard education.
    You what's really dumb? Believing that good teachers are 'occassionally' fired or targeted (see teachers who refused to go along with the ever popular government tactic of inflating grades to feign improvement) and that the worst teachers are common enough to need to change the system. If government really cared about getting rid of 'bad' teachers, they would have fired all of the non-tenured ones...which they haven't.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Can you name one Clinton Policy that was responsible for the Economic boom of the 90's?.
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    massive cuts in military personel that GOP failed to do even though the cold war had ended.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

    State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

    “I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

    GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
    Well, unless the Dems don't plan on returning to the legislature until this issue has wound its way through the courts, I think that'll end up being a moot point.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I want to respond to this fully, but I'm losing my ability to respond to people in this thread with the respect that I usually want to.

    Suffice it to say, I still disagree with you. Like I said, the unions agreed to monetary terms that would help the budget...which answers your 'BROKE' comment. The end.
    There are at least two different problems being addressed here: The immediate budget deficit that the state of Wisconsin faces, and the more chronic problem of teachers' unions strong-arming the public into allowing them nearly total job security at the expense of the students. Yes, the unions agreed to some concessions to solve the first problem, but it's the less important of the two problems and their concessions didn't address the other problem at all.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Testy aren't we. It would appear I hit the nail on this one. Note I said I and OTHERS LIKE ME, have been pointing out how un-conservative some of your views are. I.E. not just me. You kept getting pounded into indefensible corners leaving you with only "I'm a Goldwater Guy!!" as your only defense.

    Yet you side with Unions, for example. A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.
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