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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    yes, people still have the right to free speech, even if they act together. as a corporate unit or as a union. I notice that many seem to leave that last distinction to the ruling out.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the employer and the union have a contract detailing terms of employment, the shop is unionized, then new hires have to join the union within 30 days, no free riders....potential new hires absolutely have a choice of whether to work in a union shop or not. employers threatening to fire employees if they form a union is a violation of federal law.
    exactly. it's one of the many examples of how Unions bend the coercive power of the state to their advantage. but that wasn't the question. If a workplace can make union membership a condition of employment, why - rightfully - can't it make lack of union membership a condition of employment? what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    are you seriously going with the warped logic of conservative? the dues go for administration and enforcement of the contract. no one is having a gun held to their heads.
    Open Secrets' breakdown of SEIU expenditures for 2008:

    Total Receipts $31,219,502
    Total Spent (view expenditures) $47,404,886
    Begin Cash on Hand $18,191,098
    End Cash on Hand $2,005,715
    Debts $109,523
    Independent Expenditures $36,098,456
    Date of last report December 31, 2008
    Contributions to federal candidates (list recipients) (94% to Democrats, 6% to Republicans) $2,285,850
    Contributions from individual donors of $200 or more ( list donors) $22,972




    now, this is only counting direct contributions to candidates (5 and 10,000 increments), not all the advertising etc; are you going to tell me that contributions of under $200 came to $2,262,000?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I pointed out to you the projections underestimated the amount by $50 billion a year. Our tax cuts to the wealthy average about $150 billion a year.
    Yep, that $150 billion would have dropped the February defict from $222 billion all the way down to $72 billion.

    Now, you just have to figure out how to lower the deficit in the other 11 months.

    You could confiscate every penny the "wealthy" make and still not make a dent in Obama's deficit. He's like my ex-wife and thinks that as long as their are checks in the checkbook, there has to be money in the bank. That's what we get for electing someone with zero experience.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    trust me my friend, you are making yourself look foolish...the dues that are being sent to the union are being sent on BEHALF OF AN EMPLOYEE(S), OUT OF WAGES THAT HAVE BEEN EARNED, WAGES WHICH THE TAXPAYERS HAVE NO CLAIM OVER...just because the government sends the union a check to cover these dues, doesnt mean the money has reverted back to the government/taxpayers, it still is being paid out of wages THAT HAVE BEEN EARNED, AND AGAIN, THAT THE GOVERNMENT/TAXPAYERS HAVE NO CLAIM OVER. seriously, what is so hard here for you to understand? do you go to your local deli, get a pound of roast beef, pay the owner the cost of that roast beef, then turn around and tell him that since the money is coming from you, that he can't spend it how he pleases? do you get to put restrictions on how he spends it? i don't think so.
    Let's see how excited those people are when they have to write the check to those unions and trust me kid you don't have a clue as wot what you are talking about. The money goes directly from the taxpayer to the department heads to the unions. The employees don't get to see the money.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Don't you ever get tired of making stuff up, conservative?
    I get tired of your one sentence response that ignores content. You telling me that payroll deductions aren't going to the unions? Man, the support for 12% of the work force is quite interesting here.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Well, we spend 43% of the world's total. It's still pretty significant.
    true, but it is NOT more than the rest of the owrld combined... so Cat was either ignorant of the facts, or lied.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You'd think they'd at least agree that joining a union should be a choice.
    No, they just enjoy supporting union thugs and buying the liberal agenda. Wonder what it is that creates such brainwashing?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't add the $3 trillion cost of the two decade long wars we are fighting and put on the tab, I see.
    if you have a source that refures mine, feel free to link to it. Otherwise, I brand you either misinformed, or lying.

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