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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Nope, have no interest in a one on one with you as you haven't proven yourself worthy of my time.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    LOL, you definitely work for a union. The money never gets to the employee, it is a payroll deduction and comes right from the employer who gets the money from the taxpayer. Pretty simple concept and I don't see anyone but the braindead thinking that I am looking foolish. The issue is taxpayer money going directly to the unions and since the union employee doesn't see the money that is exactly what happens. Walker's bill will require the union employees to write a check for their union dues, good for him.
    Don't you ever get tired of making stuff up, conservative?


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Don't give me that neo-Socialist, Columbia glitteratti, Clinton reject. Who the hell care what this piece of trash thinks? The cost of the war's can be argued to be closing in on a trillion maybe, but not $3 trillion. This guy is a hack with a capital H


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    once more, a service was performed, the money received was called WAGES...the taxpayers have no claim to this money ....they are paying for services rendered. you sure seem to have a hard time comprehending this.
    and that money (union dues) is then used to get even more money from the taxpayers. It's like paying someone to rob you.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Unions force payment of dues, what part of that don't you understand? Your support of unions and total ignorance of business as well as logic is quite telling.
    You'd think they'd at least agree that joining a union should be a choice.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    call it what you will, it is par for you when proven wrong....again, they have a choice when they apply for the job...if you don't have a problem, great...if you do, you don't have to work here...you have 30 days...they have a choice.
    interesting. and so given your deep respect for the ability of the workplace to set the conditions of unemployment (and since I know you enough to know that you are no partisan hypocrite), no doubt you would be equally accepting of a situation in which an employer could tell his employees that, if they joined a union, they would be fired?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You'd think they'd at least agree that joining a union should be a choice.
    well, they say it is because you choose whether or not to continue working there. let us see how seriously they take this logic, or if it is simply something they have told themselves. certainly i 'told' myself numerous things during the 2004 Reelection to justify supporting Bush (though really all i had to do was realize who he was running against), and now that I have realized that, it's more than a bit embarrassing

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    and that money (union dues) is then used to get even more money from the taxpayers. It's like paying someone to rob you.
    no, technically we the people have the authority to shut the system down at any time - much like we just did in Wisconsin - by electing people who aren't beholden to or intimidated by the public unions. the buck stops with us.

    PBraur; the unions in this instance absolutely did have money withheld from paychecks for their dues. such a measure is designed to hide the cost of the dues and lessen their emotional impact. that's why, for example, we tax in that method. If people had to actually write a check for 25% of their income at the end of the year, you'd see angry mobs burning their politicians in effigy in 50 capitals. making the employee make the payment themself (and giving them the choice of whether or not to do so) maximizes the ability and liberty of that individual worker to make his or her own decisions. That's part of what makes this debate so ironic; the measure actually isn't that bad for the workers; it's just bad for the unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interesting. and so given your deep respect for the ability of the workplace to set the conditions of unemployment (and since I know you enough to know that you are no partisan hypocrite), no doubt you would be equally accepting of a situation in which an employer could tell his employees that, if they joined a union, they would be fired?
    the employer and the union have a contract detailing terms of employment, the shop is unionized, then new hires have to join the union within 30 days, no free riders....potential new hires absolutely have a choice of whether to work in a union shop or not. employers threatening to fire employees if they form a union is a violation of federal law.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    and that money (union dues) is then used to get even more money from the taxpayers. It's like paying someone to rob you.
    are you seriously going with the warped logic of conservative? the dues go for administration and enforcement of the contract. no one is having a gun held to their heads.

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