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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The return they have on corporate capitalism endorsed through the government is larger than the taxes they pay. Much of this is old school types of clubs where board of directors have power, but they're all from the same group. The actual stock holders have very little input (they are the company owners). People donate to charities, but that won't make me ignore the perks they get from improper government law and regulation. Maybe a lot of "seniors rely on dividends" (they don't have to pay it out, BTW, Buffet's company doesn't), but it's still a system of corporate capitalism. In free market those people can do just as good if not better. Corporations are not inherently good or evil, they are just corporations. However, they are also nothing special. For every rich person, I bet I can find 100's at the least to replace them who can probably do a better job if they are able to participate equally in the system. Rich people are rich, they are not better than anyone else. A corporation is just a corporation, it is not better than any small business.

    Free market capitalism should be the goal to strive for. I'm surprised a "conservative" wouldn't agree.
    I hope I am around when you learn that you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. I don't find corporations to be evil because I recognize that corporations are a very small part of the work force and most corporations are good corporate citizens. We have a potential labor force of 155 million people, large corporations employ about 20% according to bls. so your fixation with corporations and ignorance of our real economy is quite staggering.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I hope I am around when you learn that you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. I don't find corporations to be evil because I recognize that corporations are a very small part of the work force and most corporations are good corporate citizens. We have a potential labor force of 155 million people, large corporations employ about 20% according to bls. so your fixation with corporations and ignorance of our real economy is quite staggering.
    So essentially your only real rebuttal to me these past several posts has been to call me stupid. Nice. But not really doing anything to advance your argument. And if you would read (I know, crazy concept right?) you would have seen that I do not designate corporations as evil. That's just another ridiculous statement on your part to deflect. My "fixation" is that in the eyes of the law, all should be equal. Pretty absurd eh? Well at least I know you're not committed to free market capitalism, I'll keep that in mind.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So essentially your only real rebuttal to me these past several posts has been to call me stupid. Nice. But not really doing anything to advance your argument. And if you would read (I know, crazy concept right?) you would have seen that I do not designate corporations as evil. That's just another ridiculous statement on your part to deflect. My "fixation" is that in the eyes of the law, all should be equal. Pretty absurd eh? Well at least I know you're not committed to free market capitalism, I'll keep that in mind.
    Never called you stupid because I don't think you know any better. You will grow up, promise and then will realize whether or not you were stupid in your younger years. Free market capitalism is in direct conflict with liberalism for in free market capitalism success is rewarded not redistributed or demonized like liberals do. Too many liberals want equal outcome, not equal opportunity and that is where the entire public union issue comes in. Public and private unions have nothing invested in the success of a state or a business and will always strive for equal outcome or a biggier piece of the pie. In private business that could put the business out of business but in the public sector that just is greater burden on the taxpayers. States don't go out of business and states cannot declare bankruptcy. Wish they could.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    I'm already "grown up" and well more intelligent that you're willing to give credit for. I guess someone with a different opinion than you must "not know better", huh? Way to be conceited. I'm not a modern liberal either, free market capitalism is well in line with my political ideology. I'm looking for equal opportunity, that everyone in the eyes of the law be treated equally. That's in part a free market ideal. Corporate capitalism, which we have and you apparently are endorsing here, is not that. It's a closed off system where economic mobility gets taken down and the government is used for the proliferation and promotion of certain corporate entities.

    It's also absurd to state that unions have no interest in the success of the business, of course they do. They're main concern is with the compensation for labor performed by their members. If the business goes away, there is no income to the workers. Unions are a lot like government, a necessary evil. If you do not control them and regulate them properly, they will grow out of control and begin operating in terms they were not meant to do. Just like government will. But fundamentally, there is nothing wrong with it as it is just laborers using their power of contract to negotiate better returns for their labor.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I just really don't get the demonizing of the rich. I don't recall that in my younger years.
    In your youth, we had a progressive tax system that paid the bills and did not penalize the middle class and reward the wealthy. BTW, no one is demonizing the rich, we are demonizing the slashing of this country's progressive tax system.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not "demonizing the rich". The rich just ain't special just because they're rich. They should be treated the same in the eyes of the law. No special perks or privilege, You're rich, you don't need any of that.
    Hope you aren't talking about me here. When it comes to money, I'm about as poor as a church mouse.

    Where would be without the rich?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In your youth, we had a progressive tax system that paid the bills and did not penalize the middle class and reward the wealthy. BTW, no one is demonizing the rich, we are demonizing the slashing of this country's progressive tax system.
    We need to burn the thousands and thousands of pages of our tax code. All of it. Then no one would get special favors.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Hope you aren't talking about me here. When it comes to money, I'm about as poor as a church mouse.

    Where would be without the rich?
    It was more of a generalized use of "you". Sorry.

    Where would we be without the rich? Where we are now. There's always going to be rich people, it's fine. But being rich doesn't make you special. You're (and again, this is generalized use of "you") just rich, you can buy more stuff have nicer things; but you're still replaceable.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    We need to burn the thousands and thousands of pages of our tax code. All of it. Then no one would get special favors.
    It would most certainly help if we clarified our tax structure, we could move to something different too if it behooves us to do so. As it stands, income should be income and there shouldn't be alternate definitions of income to get into a smaller tax bracket.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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