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A filibuster is a rule put into the Senate by the members of the Senate. Where is that in the state legislature rules that Representatives can flee the state to keep from voting on a bill?

The rule that it takes 20 present members of the Senate to have a quorum was also put forth by members of the Senate.
 
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Let me correct that for you.......

The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their union bosses and their campaign donations. They left in hopes of subverting the democratic process.

You corrected the truth with a lie. Please don't do that again.
 
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tha's a lie. the teacher's union gave all concessions, except the right to collective bargaining. this is not about money, no matter how you try to insist it is.

Right, benefits aren't money to union members
 
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A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.

Great fiction MrVicchio! The taxpayers have complete control, the public servants negotiate with the taxpayer's representatives. The Governor did not campaign on busting collective bargaining for public workers. This is shown by all the polls, even the conservative ones, that show that a majority of Wisconsin voters are opposed to Walker's efforts.
 
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The rule that it takes 20 present members of the Senate to have a quorum was also put forth by members of the Senate.

That rule in Wisconsin is for anything to do with appropriations and since appropriations were taken out of the bill it doesn't apply. Do you live in Wisconsin? If not why is this an issue for you? Trying to tie leaving the state with a filibuster is quite a stretch.
 
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You corrected the truth with a lie. Please don't do that again.

Really ??

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Great fiction MrVicchio! The taxpayers have complete control, the public servants negotiate with the taxpayer's representatives. The Governor did not campaign on busting collective bargaining for public workers. This is shown by all the polls, even the conservative ones, that show that a majority of Wisconsin voters are opposed to Walker's efforts.

The taxpayers spoke on Nov. 2, 2010 and "elections have consequences" according to "your" President except of course when the elections don't turn out in favor of Democrats. The vast majority are fickle and will turn around when Wisconsin attracts new businesses, jobs are being created, and the budget balanced. Since you aren't from Wisconsin it is very easy for you to demand someone else pay higher taxes to fund public unions.
 
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tha's a lie. the teacher's union gave all concessions, except the right to collective bargaining. this is not about money, no matter how you try to insist it is.

True or False, collective bargaining is how the current policies that the union is conceeding to came into being and could potentially be used to bring them back into being?

It it entirely posisble to tie this to money. Not immediete money, but long term stability. You may not agree, but you can't say there's absolutely no way this can be about money
 
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This is shown by all the polls, even the conservative ones, that show that a majority of Wisconsin voters are opposed to Walker's efforts.

With how much people seemingly that lean left are quoting polls in this thread as the end all be all, I'm sure you all are in favor of repealing health care then since the polls show the voters are opposed to it staying law?
 
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They say this was a breach of democracy.

Democracy demands voting.

Because the democrats breached democracy by shamefully fleeing a democratic vote, all of them and their supporters have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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You must be joking. It's not a subversion of the democratic process. When you feel that your voters are under attack, you stand up for them. The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their constituents' interests - this is why we vote for who we vote for. They left in hopes of stalling the process, finding laws that prevented Walker's actions and perhaps reaching negotiations that kept collective bargaining in tact. These types of actions are an expression of democratic ideals - voting is NOT the only way.

If the democrats hadn't used a subversive maneuver to flee a democratic vote by leaving the state, then they wouldn't have to complain about being manuevered democratically. Lol.

Nice avy.
 
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With how much people seemingly that lean left are quoting polls in this thread as the end all be all, I'm sure you all are in favor of repealing health care then since the polls show the voters are opposed to it staying law?

Please post a current poll that shows the public wants the health care bill repealed.
 
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It passed the Michigan Senate yesterday. it is called the Emergency Manager legislation. Its east to google and you can find out all about it. I watched from the gallery as it passed yesterday.

All they need is the BELIEF that your city or town will be in economic trouble and they can take over and get rid of your elected officials os the ones who run the place and put in their own wanna-be dictators who answer to nobody in that town.

Believe it Maggie. Its happening.

this is from the mirs news serice which is a subscription service that our office pays for

A similar bill has already passed the House. Small government Republican conservatives voting to allow big state government to take over your town or city and run things their own way. This is just one of a bunch of such bills being pushed here to ram government down the throats of people. And they all come from Republicans

Shhhezz I would have thought you would be all for that, that almost mirrors much of the new regulation that Obama has put on Big Business doesn't it ??
 
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A conservative poll, really?

Conservative in your mind. The most accurate polling organization in the minds of nonpartisans.
 
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Please post a current poll that shows the public wants the health care bill repealed.

54% in favor of repeal - March 7th . . . This one seems to be the most current. Gallup's most recent is from January...and it also has more people favoring repeal than keeping it.

As the topic has been less of a focus the number has been dropping, but my comment still applies to October through December of last year when it was at its peak. I saw many of the left leaning people in this thread posting then, I don't remember then proclaiming then that we must follow what the polls say.

Its one thing ot suggest that the public doesn't want him doing this. If you don't argue that "polls can be skewed" when a poll you dislike is put forward, then you could definitely make that claim. However, to suggest he should not be doing this based almost singularly because the "people" IE the polls are against it is a rather single minded view, and one that is strangely seemingly only used when people have polls in their favor.
 
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A conservative poll, really?

Rasmussen is a conservative poll? Typical dodge from you
 
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Really ??

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OMG. They got donations from their constituents. I'm shocked.

Obviously, unions and public employees would contribute to politicians who support them. Like I said, the Democrats left to defend their constituents...just like the Republicans pushed their bill in order to defend their constituents - one of the major ones is Walmart who is known for intimidating its workers to not join/organize unions and paying them crappy wages.
 
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You must be joking. It's not a subversion of the democratic process. When you feel that your voters are under attack, you stand up for them. The Democrats left to stall the vote in order to protect their constituents' interests - this is why we vote for who we vote for. They left in hopes of stalling the process, finding laws that prevented Walker's actions and perhaps reaching negotiations that kept collective bargaining in tact. These types of actions are an expression of democratic ideals - voting is NOT the only way.

So If Rand Paul uses his rightful power in the senate to completely shut down the goverment by filibustering a debt ceiling increase, that is fair game?
 
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I also changed my lean.

the difference is I didn't feel complelled to make a vanity post about it.

As did I. Some people crave attention. He happens to be one of them.
 
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OMG. They got donations from their constituents. I'm shocked.

Obviously, unions and public employees would contribute to politicians who support them. Like I said, the Democrats left to defend their constituents...just like the Republicans pushed their bill in order to defend their constituents - one of the major ones is Walmart who is known for intimidating its workers to not join/organize unions and paying them crappy wages.

You don't see a conflict of interest there? Apparently you don't know where the money comes to pay those public employees?
 
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So If Rand Paul uses his rightful power in the senate to completely shut down the goverment by filibustering a debt ceiling increase, that is fair game?

The ability to filibuster was put there for good reason. Both sides, if they're doing their job, work to protect the interests of their constituents. Walker and the Republicans are doing exactly what they ought to do to serve their voters and the Democrats are doing what they ought to do serve their voters. It would have been irresponsible to sit with their hands folded and watch in approval by inaction as Walker passed the bill. They left to strategize. It didn't work. Next.
 
Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

OMG. They got donations from their constituents. I'm shocked.

Obviously, unions and public employees would contribute to politicians who support them. Like I said, the Democrats left to defend their constituents...just like the Republicans pushed their bill in order to defend their constituents - one of the major ones is Walmart who is known for intimidating its workers to not join/organize unions and paying them crappy wages.

Really? Did Wal-Mart contribute 20% to each of the Republicans campaigns ??

Wal-Mart contributed 0.16% of Walker's total campaign contributions.

Koch Industriest contributed 0.47% to Walker.

Maybe if they had contributed 1/2 of one %, they might get a little influence like the Unions do over Dems.
 
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You don't see a conflict of interest there? Apparently you don't know where the money comes to pay those public employees?

I'm really over the whole condescending question thing. You can no longer claim that ignorance is responsible for my point of view. It's funny how difficult it is for you to grasp that people can have two different ideas on the same reality.
 
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