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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Absolutely, I have no problem defending my position based upon actual work experience as well as actual verifiable facts. You offer opinions as fact but only opinions from leftwing sources.
    I haven't seen one verifiable fact from you which supports your conclusion.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the rule. All these corporations get tons of money, tons of tax holes, tons of preferential laws and enforcement out of our government.
    All allowing them to keep more of what they earn and what do they do with that money.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    I haven't seen one verifiable fact from you which supports your conclusion.
    The brainwashed can never see.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Absolutely, I have no problem defending my position based upon actual work experience as well as actual verifiable facts. You offer opinions as fact but only opinions from leftwing sources.
    Fine. here are the rules and guidelines. Go down and familiarize yourself with the rules and we can start maybe next Monday.I’ll PM a mod that is familiar with the true debate format and see if we can sit it up.



    Your contending that paying union dues, that you earned, if you’re a public sector employee is taxpayer funding of Unions. is that correct?



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    All allowing them to keep more of what they earn and what do they do with that money.
    Well earn things in questionable ways, gaurantee certain profits, bail them out when they mess up, rob employees of pension plans, etc.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The brainwashed can never see.
    Is this irony?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Okay chuckles, let's hear your suggestion. And while you're at in, add the trillion we are giving away to the rich each decade and you might have something that could begin to pay down our National debt.
    Sorry I took so long, real life sometimes needs tending to .

    Okay here is My suggestion.

    Top US Marginal Income Tax Rates, 1913--2003 (TruthAndPolitics.org)

    Study that chart... and see what each tax cut, did to the top bracket, and what each increase did the to the top bracket.

    Now lets compromise.... lets not increase the tax percentage at all, and I believe this could get enough support to pass both houses, lets just drop that “taxable income over” figure back to $200,000 that Obama wants to use. Obama likes to use 5% of the population making more then that … I disagree with that number so will cut it in half. That effects only 2.5% of our working people. And they would be paying $60,760.(2/3s of that 91,000 you constantly harp about) more each .. that equals roughly 225 billion dollars in added revenue.

    Now for this tax increase, of 225 billion, I want not 6 billion that dem's want, not 60 billion that rep's want but 112.5 billion dollars in cuts on this years budget.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    I can settle this, easily, what Wisconsin should do, it fold up their public school system, go to all private schools. They could put each public school up for sale, (helps with their deficit) That part of the property tax that is for the school system, is given back to the parents in the for of a voucher one month before the start of the school year.

    There problem solved, teachers can then work out if they want to unionize or not, the state is not paying them anything.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well earn things in questionable ways, gaurantee certain profits, bail them out when they mess up, rob employees of pension plans, etc.
    How many companies fit into that category? You seem to focus on the exception rather than the rule. Large companies make up 20% of the workforce but they get most of the ire. Tell me what companies do with the money they make? Compare that to the public sector and what products thus wealth do the public unions create? If this is what you learned in school, you should demand a refund. Profits and wealth creation aren't bad!!

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    How many companies fit into that category? You seem to focus on the exception rather than the rule. Large companies make up 20% of the workforce but they get most of the ire. Tell me what companies do with the money they make? Compare that to the public sector and what products thus wealth do the public unions create? If this is what you learned in school, you should demand a refund. Profits and wealth creation aren't bad!!
    Profit and wealth creation are not bad in a free market environment. But free market is not what we have. We have corporate capitalism which then preferentially through government law and regulation select out specific entities in the economic sector to promote. In such a system profit and wealth "creation" is isolated to the very very top of the population, within less than a percent of the populace. They start gaining all the gains, and everyone else loses. That is currently where we are at. And we can clearly see that in the aggregated statistics of wealth creation. The poor get poorer, the middle class is shrinking, and the top like 0.5% are becoming obscenly rich. In true free market, people don't tend to get that rich as no one is actually worth that amount of money. And free market creates plenty of economic mobility; the poor can become richer, the rich can become poorer and you must input work constantly into the system to maintain your status.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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