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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    No we don't. When we have bad corporations, they get hand outs from the government (which IS taxpayer money) to stay afloat even when they are the one's who broke the system in the first place. There's no free market capitalism in America anymore. This is corporate capitalism.
    I was totally against the bailouts and remain against bailouts. Yes, you are right taxpayer dollars went to some businesses but that is the exception rather than the rule.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, but when we have a bad corporation they go out of business as they lose customers, when we have a bad public union it stays in existence and continues to get funded.
    Unions are democratic institutions, so the leadership can be changed democratically - no so with a corporation. And failed corporations taking down go hard working people, but conservatives never seem to think of workers.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    It has nothing to do with it being their money but instead of what they are forced to do with it by unions. That is the issue, forced union dues. Calling it a po-dunk union says a lot about you.

    As for the rest of your post it is too ill informed to even discuss. You continue to buy the rhetoric that govt. pays oil companies instead of those companies getting to keep more of what they earned. Quite a bit of difference. Liberalism has been successful in the brainwashing. You are hardly a Libertarian.
    We have union jobs and non-union jobs. If you don't want the former, do the latter. If you don't want the latter, do the former. Simple. Everybody has a choice.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    it has nothing to do with it being their money but instead of what they are forced to do with it by unions. That is the issue, forced union dues. Calling it a po-dunk union says a lot about you.

    As for the rest of your post it is too ill informed to even discuss. You continue to buy the rhetoric that govt. Pays oil companies instead of those companies getting to keep more of what they earned. Quite a bit of difference. Liberalism has been successful in the brainwashing. You are hardly a libertarian.
    THEY JOINED THE UNION! For the love of all that is holy, why the HELL do you think one should be able to join an organization and not pay dues to it? Should I be able to get Netflix for free? I mean, they're "forcing" me to pay a monthly fee.

    Jesus tap dancing Christ on a pogo stick; have we lost all logic and rational in this country? Is this what it's coming down to here? People, you have to THINK. You have to research, you have to be responsible. You can't go along flinging out this poo like "oh the unions are publicly funded because the teachers who are in the union have to pay dues to the union". Do you even listen to yourself?

    You can say I'm hardly a "libertarian" but that's hardly an insult coming from the likes of you.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Unions are democratic institutions, so the leadership can be changed democratically - no so with a corporation. And failed corporations taking down go hard working people, but conservatives never seem to think of workers.
    How much does union management get paid and who pays them? If a corporation fails it goes out of business and yes, employees lose their jobs. Public services never go out of business and the taxpayers just pay the bill.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    they joined the union!
    If they wanted a job, they had no choice.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    We have union jobs and non-union jobs. If you don't want the former, do the latter. If you don't want the latter, do the former. Simple. Everybody has a choice.
    In Wisconsin if you want to be a teacher you join the union or you go to a private or charter school where jobs are scarce.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I was totally against the bailouts and remain against bailouts. Yes, you are right taxpayer dollars went to some businesses but that is the exception rather than the rule.
    It's the rule. All these corporations get tons of money, tons of tax holes, tons of preferential laws and enforcement out of our government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If they wanted a job, they had no choice.
    If they wanted THAT job. There are other jobs out there. They are adults, they made a choice, they exercised their right to contract. And you're bitching because they are held to the obligations of their contract. WTF.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have been shown over and over how taxpayer money gets to the unions, you choose to ignore it.
    The money a government worker earns is funded by the taxpayers regardless of whether they belong to a union or not. Fail!!!


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