Page 134 of 198 FirstFirst ... 3484124132133134135136144184 ... LastLast
Results 1,331 to 1,340 of 1973

Thread: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

  1. #1331
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 08:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,490

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    But it is ok for unions to tell them what they have to spend it on, right? Of course in your world union dues is money well spent.
    and i know i've explained this to you before as well, when you apply for a job at a shop that is unionized, you are made aware of your obligations, to join the union within 30 days, and you are made aware of the amount of your union dues...it is at this point, if you have a problem with working in a union shop, that you can get up and say no thanks, and take your leave. you have a choice, it is when you hire in. and of course, union dues are well spent..duh...

  2. #1332
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,293

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and i know i've explained this to you before as well, when you apply for a job at a shop that is unionized, you are made aware of your obligations, to join the union within 30 days, and you are made aware of the amount of your union dues...it is at this point, if you have a problem with working in a union shop, that you can get up and say no thanks, and take your leave. you have a choice, it is when you hire in. and of course, union dues are well spent..duh...
    Exactly, forced union membership to get a job is ok with you as well, right? If you want to work you have to join the union? Guess the 15 million unemployed Americans won't have a problem with a few more funded by the taxpayers, right?

    As for union dues being well spent, interesting that less than 12% of the work force is now unionized but that 12% spends a lot of money especially on democrat candidates to influence elections. Of course you claim none of your union dues goes to political campaigns so apparently the money just comes from those union printing presses? Doubt you realize how foolish you sound.

  3. #1333
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, how is Koch responsible for that other 4 million, exactly???
    or more to the point; 1 million to support republican governor campaigns.... there are 50 states... where did the extra $4,980,000 of that 5 mil come from?

  4. #1334
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    no, Randel claims that unions don't spend dues on political activities, that all those millions come from voluntary extra "donations" by union members. but he hasn't explained how, in light of that claim, the Walker bill is a "union busting" bill designed to weaken union political power. given that it only effected dues, and not voluntary donations, the Wisconsin bill couldn't possibly have had the effect he is claiming for it.

  5. #1335
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,293

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, Randel claims that unions don't spend dues on political activities, that all those millions come from voluntary extra "donations" by union members. but he hasn't explained how, in light of that claim, the Walker bill is a "union busting" bill designed to weaken union political power. given that it only effected dues, and not voluntary donations, the Wisconsin bill couldn't possibly have had the effect he is claiming for it.
    Doesn't look like Randel knows what is even in the bill but because randel was told that it was anti union that is all that is necessary to know because we all know unions always tell the truth. Wonder if randel would appreciate having a child indoctrinated like unions are doing in Wisconsin? Let's say the Christian Right was indoctrinating one of randel's children, my bet is randel would go ballistic.

  6. #1336
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 08:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,490

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly, forced union membership to get a job is ok with you as well, right? If you want to work you have to join the union? Guess the 15 million unemployed Americans won't have a problem with a few more funded by the taxpayers, right?

    As for union dues being well spent, interesting that less than 12% of the work force is now unionized but that 12% spends a lot of money especially on democrat candidates to influence elections. Of course you claim none of your union dues goes to political campaigns so apparently the money just comes from those union printing presses? Doubt you realize how foolish you sound.
    the only fool here is you conservative, and i will gladly take the demerits if a mod wishes to hit me with them...you speak of things that you have no knowledge of, and when challenged, everyone of your opponents suddenly become knuckledragging neanderthals who could benefit from your brand of 'wisdom'....sorry, i don't consider it to be 'forced membership', as i had a CHOICE when i applied with my company...the first thing i was asked when i had my interview was ' do you have any problem with working in a union shop?' no i didnt...the second question i was asked was asked/told was' you will have two hours of straight time pay per month deducted from your wages for union dues, do you have a problem with this? no, no i did not.

    there was no attempt at deception on anyone's part, it was made clear to me from the very start that the job i was trying to get was in a unionized shop, and that i would be responsible for union dues...NOTHING WAS FORCED.


    later on after i became chairperson of the plant bargaining committee, management would ask me to sit in with potential groups of new hires , to explain the union to them, and how things worked....part of that discussion included from the get go...this is a union shop, does anyone here have a problem working in a union shop or with the UAW? The second thing i mentioned was their union dues, how much, and when they would come out. so these folks had a CHOICE at this point . i never had one person stand up and leave when i mentioned that it was a union shop and that they would be responsible for dues...NOT A ONE.

    finally, i've explained a million and one times where the money for political activities comes from, you choose to ignore facts and continue to enjoy your fantasy of where you THIINK they come from.

  7. #1337
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,293

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    and i know i've explained this to you before as well, when you apply for a job at a shop that is unionized, you are made aware of your obligations, to join the union within 30 days, and you are made aware of the amount of your union dues...it is at this point, if you have a problem with working in a union shop, that you can get up and say no thanks, and take your leave. you have a choice, it is when you hire in. and of course, union dues are well spent..duh...
    How public unions work.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4Pw...layer_embedded

  8. #1338
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 08:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,490

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, Randel claims that unions don't spend dues on political activities, that all those millions come from voluntary extra "donations" by union members. but he hasn't explained how, in light of that claim, the Walker bill is a "union busting" bill designed to weaken union political power. given that it only effected dues, and not voluntary donations, the Wisconsin bill couldn't possibly have had the effect he is claiming for it.
    cp, i've provided links in various threads, if you are seriously interested, look up my posts and find them...yes, walker is trying to weaken the unions, hoping that people won't pay their dues, thus weakening the union, hurting their ability to organize, and effectively negotiate contracts.. and this is only the first step, i'm sure he is looking for a way to include all unions, public and private sectors, in this plan.

  9. #1339
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Doesn't look like Randel knows what is even in the bill but because randel was told that it was anti union that is all that is necessary to know because we all know unions always tell the truth. Wonder if randel would appreciate having a child indoctrinated like unions are doing in Wisconsin? Let's say the Christian Right was indoctrinating one of randel's children, my bet is randel would go ballistic.
    no, i've known randel for a minute, and he's smarter and more independent than you are giving him credit for.

    he's just wrong about unions he joined the UAW about the time it was finishing the destruction of the American Auto industry, and methinks perhaps he worked himself a bit hard attempting to defend his new organization from quite alot of (well deserved) attack.

  10. #1340
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 08:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,490

    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    seriously? andrew klavan? just move on now if this is all you have got

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •