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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have guns. The point to all this is that almost all money comes from the government in some way or form. It's ridiculous to claim that everything is thusly tax payer paid. Companies get subsidies all the time, schools get money, roads get money, religious organizations get money, etc. To claim that, for instance, my landlord is supported by tax payer dollars because that's where my money comes from is ridiculous. It's not tax payer money once it has been used as compensation for an individual's labor. At that point it becomes the individual's money.
    Still waiting for you to tell us how you feel about unions forcing people to pay union dues because of a closed shop requirement in Wisconsin?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Do you get a paycheck? Is that a handout for you to keep more of what you earn?
    If I get to pay a certain rate and no loopholes are provided for me in order for me to keep more of what I earn, why are the ubber wealthy allowed all those loopholes and they end up paying at a lower rate? They actually get more for their buck than I do.



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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Better still, if you want to give your money to the rich, send them your check - I'll continue to fight for fairness.
    Please explain how the rich "receives" checks? being allowed to keep more of what you earned is not a handout or a check from the government.
    Fairness to you is taking from those who earned it and giving to those who didn't lift a finger for it.
    That's the mindset of a socialist.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    imperialism...

    fascism...

    the class war!

    LOL!

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    If I get to pay a certain rate and no loopholes are provided for me in order for me to keep more of what I earn, why are the ubber wealthy allowed all those loopholes and they end up paying at a lower rate? They actually get more for their buck than I do.
    What loopholes do the rich have that you don't? Sounds a lot like class envy and jealousy to me. You have the same opportunity to become one of those evil rich people but one thing is holding you back, attitude.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have guns. The point to all this is that almost all money comes from the government in some way or form. It's ridiculous to claim that everything is thusly tax payer paid. Companies get subsidies all the time, schools get money, roads get money, religious organizations get money, etc. To claim that, for instance, my landlord is supported by tax payer dollars because that's where my money comes from is ridiculous. It's not tax payer money once it has been used as compensation for an individual's labor. At that point it becomes the individual's money.
    If the tax subsidies to churches all had a % that went into a PAC that supported evangelical conservative political candidates all across the country and that % was manditory by some church union, I'd not agree with it either. Getting back to your earlier comment, your guns were stolen along with the rest of your ****... I guess your fine with the robber keeping it and selling it for cash and don't want it back because ownership is 9/10 of the law.

    Glad you're okay with that.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    But you mean "except the tax cuts for the rich", don't you? Why are they not considered "hand-outs" in your dictionary?
    it's their money, mr moore

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    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    They actually get more for their buck than I do.
    why, you poor thing

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Still waiting for you to tell us how you feel about unions forcing people to pay union dues because of a closed shop requirement in Wisconsin?
    So people belonging to an organization needing to pay the dues to be part of that organization is wrong? Damn...Someone call up Trion and tell them I shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee for Rift.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If the tax subsidies to churches all had a % that went into a PAC that supported evangelical conservative political candidates all across the country and that % was manditory by some church union, I'd not agree with it either. Getting back to your earlier comment, your guns were stolen along with the rest of your ****... I guess your fine with the robber keeping it and selling it for cash and don't want it back because ownership is 9/10 of the law.

    Glad you're okay with that.
    Not really, you're just being ridiculous and taking comments out of context when I clearly identified it as saying that once taxpayer money has been used as compensation for someone's labor, it ceases to be taxpayer dollars and now belongs to the individual. But if you ever want to engage in this debate with any shred of intellectual honesty, let me know.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So people belonging to an organization needing to pay the dues to be part of that organization is wrong? Damn...Someone call up Trion and tell them I shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee for Rift.
    That wasn't the question, people in Wisconsin are FORCED to join a union and pay them dues IF they want the job. You don't have a problem with that? What kind of choice is that?

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