Thread: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights withou

Originally Posted by hazlnut

Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights without Dems



I don't know if they're cowards, they just risked a massive recall to carry out the agenda of a few billionaire GOP supporters...

I'd say they're just dumb cheeseheads.

This just more proof that this fight was never about the budget.

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

You were forced too because I and others like me have been pointing out how... unconservative many of your views are. I applaud your move to a more honest labeling of where and who you are.

I wasn't forced to do a damn thing. I made my own choice, based on information I had available. It's as simple as that. As much as you would like to believe that you are God here, you aren't. You had diddly squat to do with my change. Sorry to disappoint you.

Originally Posted by pbrauer

This just more proof that this fight was never about the budget.

correct, it was also a fight over future budgets.

Originally Posted by ARealConservative

I also changed my lean.

the difference is I didn't feel complelled to make a vanity post about it.

It wasn't about vanity whatsoever, but explaining the reasons for the change, which are deep rooted. Now, instead of the barrage of personal attacks you and your friends are making against me, which DOES make me feel good, in a vain sort of way, how about talking about the topic, which isn't about me, but about what is happening in Wisconsin?

Originally Posted by Kal'Stang

It is also no coincidence that the laws that caused the lending problem were enacted on Clintons watch. You of course don't have to believe me. Do some homework and you can see for yourself.

Hindesight is always 20/20 isn't it?

Same ole' talking points. You do of course realize that I am not a consevative right? You can find that out by looking through my 3000+ posts. As such your talking points mean nothing to me.

And yes there was a need. Study up on unions and see how they have continueally raised pay grades and demand more and more to the point where buisnesses and manufacturing companies move out of the country because of the demands that Unions make. Granted Unions are only part of the reason. But it is still there. And another view for you to look at. Why would there even be a need to cut pay and union benefits if it wasn't hurting US and State debts? If the US was "capable of meeting the demands"? Oh wait...you'll respond with the canned reply of "because they want to hurt the workers and not big buisnesses". Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Every single big buisness out there needs workers. Without them they cannot exist. Just as the workers cannot work without big buisness. It is a symbiotic relationship.

1. Democrats and Republicans both feed greedy ****s (I would never deny this), I have a hard time getting over the fact that the greediest of them all love the Republican Party and not to mention that least greedy of them all are Democrats who encourage the government to increase their taxes.
2. Being an independent doesn't meant that you don't subscribe to any conservative values or make any conservative arguments. Independent doesn't mean neutral.
3. I've studied plenty. I'm glad you make businesses the poor little guys who were forced to leave the country because the unions had to many demands. I've heard this argument made many a time...by conservatives. Businesses (not all, but many) are greedy - that's why they move their business to places where they can underpay their workers and let them work in horrible conditions - see a famous case - Nike.
4. Like I said, the U.S. is capable of meeting the demands of the unions because they ****ing agreed to make monetary concessions so long as they could keep collective bargaining...Walker doesn't care.
5. It is interesting how they are so adamant about attacking working class salaries and not adamant about attacking wealthy people who can afford to give a little extra in taxes. Why are working class people supposed to sacrifice but not wealthy people who still get multi-million dollar bonuses and lower taxes.

Originally Posted by Badmutha

314 Police and Fire Unions in Wisconsin........

.......out of the 314.....4 of them endorsed Walker.

Please cease and desist from your liberal talking points......

Thanks for this. I kept hearing it and never checked it out. Here's more:

In Wisconsin, the state police, several police locals, and a firefighters union (just a fraction of the states more than 300 public safety union organizations) endorsed Walker in the gubernatorial race.

Walker said during a CBS interview last friday, “There are 314 fire and police unions in the state. Four of them endorsed me. All the rest endorsed my opponent.”

Read more: Scott Walker | spares Wisconsin police, fire fighters | collective bargaining | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Originally Posted by pbrauer

This just more proof that this fight was never about the budget.

I think pretty much everyone saw that. The unions, democrats, and republicans all agreed to everything in the original bill except the part about getting rid of collective bargaining. Which because of that 14 democrats fled the responsibilities of thier job.

IE your post has no substance. Now if when/if the Democrats get back to WI and no one attempts to pass the rest of the budget bill that everyone agreed on already then we'll see if the budget was also a factor for republicans or not. If they attempt to pass it then the budget was obviously a part of something they agreed needed to be done.

Originally Posted by danarhea

Not true. In passing the bill, Republicans stripped out ALL of the economic measures, and the version that went to the floor ONLY dealt with busting the union. NOTHING was passed that dealt with the budget. And therein, we now see the real motivation for this move, which was to repay the funding and favors given by the Koch Brothers to the Wisconsin Republican party. The GOP will soon be dead in that state. They have picked a fight that they are surely going to lose.

LOL.......




....the DNC will soon be dead across the entire country.
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Originally Posted by danarhea

I wasn't forced to do a damn thing. I made my own choice, based on information I had available. It's as simple as that. As much as you would like to believe that you are God here, you aren't. You had diddly squat to do with my change. Sorry to disappoint you.

Testy aren't we. It would appear I hit the nail on this one. Note I said I and OTHERS LIKE ME, have been pointing out how un-conservative some of your views are. I.E. not just me. You kept getting pounded into indefensible corners leaving you with only "I'm a Goldwater Guy!!" as your only defense.

Yet you side with Unions, for example. A situation where the voters, the people have no control over their spending, decide to elect a guy that promises to reign in said uncontrollability and YOU are up in arms over it. Most amusing. Liberty also encompasses the right of the people to have a say in how their money is spent, not forced to pay the demands of Unions that tend to give big to the same party trying to keep their power! Conflict of interest? I guess that eludes you.

Originally Posted by danarhea

It wasn't about vanity whatsoever, but explaining the reasons for the change, which are deep rooted. Now, instead of the barrage of personal attacks you and your friends are making against me, which DOES make me feel good, in a vain sort of way, how about talking about the topic, which isn't about me, but about what is happening in Wisconsin?

you seem to ignore any part of my post that does pertain to your op.

so how much time have you spent in Wisconsin in the last couple weeks to come to this super educated opnion about the dire straights the state GOP finds itself in?