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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    They get their money from the MEMBERS of the Union that they belong to, not necessarily local that they belong to. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters for instance, has many Three Conferences; among the conferences are a bunch of locals, each local can be divided up by the type of workers they represent.

    So tell me, if someone who works for ABF freight, when he pays his monthly union dues is he/she funding Yellow freight system, big competitors in the LTL freight segment?
    What does any of that have to do with the thread topic and the Wisconsin public service union? You don't seem to understand what a public vs. private sector union is? How many Wisconsin public service union employees are represented byt he UAW or Teamsters?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Except, the top bracket doesn't include only people earning millions, but anything 375k or above.
    I give nearly as much money to charity as I do in taxes and I don't earn millions. I am not selfish at all.
    I don't think you are selfish, but I know the taxes are not as progressive as they used to be. Obama proposed in his 2012 budget, moving the tax rates up about 4% for individuals making more than $200,000, which is more than twice the median income in the country, and he also proposed special tax cuts for businesses.

    Unless we address both our revenue and our spending problems, we will continue to have unmanageable debt, IMO.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the thread topic and the Wisconsin public service union? ?

    I’m trying to get to the bottom of this statement that you made to randel in post #962
    “Fact unions do tell people how to spend some of their money and that money is union dues which come from the taxpayers in the form of salary, get it yet?
    “ and it kinda morfped into what it is.

    We can clear it up as soon as you quit ducking and bobbing and answer a question or two.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't think you are selfish, but I know the taxes are not as progressive as they used to be. Obama proposed in his 2012 budget, moving the tax rates up about 4% for individuals making more than $200,000, which is more than twice the median income in the country, and he also proposed special tax cuts for businesses.

    Unless we address both our revenue and our spending problems, we will continue to have unmanageable debt, IMO.
    If we cut everything I disagree with in the budget, expand those areas I agree with, and we STILL can't pay our bills, then fine, raise my taxes.
    Until that time, I will help the people who actually need it myself. The US is not a nanny state. I completely believe in a progressive tax code. I believe in helping others. I do not believe in wasteful spending or holding everyone's hand.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, that's just silly. #1 -- I don't think the GOP is working against the American worker. #2 -- It would be counter-productive to do so....in fact, ridiculous to do so...since, for the most part, if Middle Class America can't buy your product, you're going to fail.
    Have you not been paying attention to what has been going on in Wisconsin and other states? The GOP is clearly waging war on the middle class and the workers of America.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    If we cut everything I disagree with in the budget, expand those areas I agree with, and we STILL can't pay our bills, then fine, raise my taxes.
    Until that time, I will help the people who actually need it myself. The US is not a nanny state. I completely believe in a progressive tax code. I believe in helping others. I do not believe in wasteful spending or holding everyone's hand.
    What can be cut to make up for the trillions lost in revenues from the tax cuts for the wealthy that began in 1981?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    No, they are not. But you're sure trying very hard to get people to think that.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The GOP is clearly waging war on the middle class and the workers of America.
    tell it to cuomo, brown and omalley

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What can be cut to make up for the trillions lost in revenues from the tax cuts for the wealthy that began in 1981?
    ask the president, ask bubba

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.
    First lets remember we are only talking about public unions not private unions ..

    But for the sake of argument, lets go along with your idea that the public union is not funded by the taxpayer. If that is the case then I guess everyone saying that Walker is trying to destroy the unions, is a complete outright lie.

    It's simple really, seeing Walker only controls the tax dollars generated by the state of Wisconsin, and the public unions are “NOT” funded by taxpayer's dollars, then there can be no possible way for Walker to even try to destroy the union simply because Walker has absolutely no control over the funding of that union.

    You can accuse him of attempting to lower the wages and benefits of Wisconsin state/city workers, but you cannot accuse him of trying to break the union, because if the union “ISN'T” funded by taxpayer's dollars, and it's only taxpayer's dollars that Walker controls. he is powerless to break the union.

    In fact with your reasoning, seeing the union isn't funded by the taxpayer, then Walker could fire every unionized city/state worker, and the union should continue to thrive.
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