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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I simply said .. that a public union surely can be seen as funded by taxpayers dollars
    Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    While that's true, it doesn't negate what he said. They get their money from "public employees". "United States Citizens, who happen to be public employees" are included under the umbrella of "public employees".

    And in Conservative land that is funding eh?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Regan brought down the top tax rate from 70 to 38 percent. If it was raised back to 70 percent, where it really should be, the increased taxes would easily balance the budget with enough left over to pay back some of the national debt.

    If the top 2 percent were real patriots, not just aimless, selfish hedonists, they would gladly give back the largess gift and squeak by on a measly 3 to 6 million a year.

    ricksfolly
    By the very same token, if those people that have been living off welfare all their lives, were to get off their lazy good for nothing butts .. and become contributing members of society rather then doing their best to help drag it down, then perhaps we wouldn't have to tax the wealthy, at such an unreasonable rate of 70%

    For the life of me, I fail to understand most liberal thinking in this area, those that worked to succeed and achieve the American dream, are vilified by the left, while those that live off the system of welfare in this country as seen the “good” citizens, that deserve more.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    And in Conservative land that is funding eh?
    You can extend that definition to anything, yes.
    When you buy a product made by a company, you are approving of their product, helping fund their works and inevitably, going to pay some of their workers.
    Give a man a fish, or he will destroy the only existing vial of antidote.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This has been explained to you over and over again, a waste of time.

    Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.
    Public unions get their money from public employees. Yes? Yes.
    Public employees get paid wages. Yes? Yes.
    Do those wages come from tax dollars? Yes? Yes.
    Thus, public unions get their money from public employees, who are funded by the taxpayers. Without tax dollars, they would be out of a wage and a job.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Now i cant, anymore than i can see a employee of General Motors, funding Ford, if he buys a Ford product.
    -chuckles- well if you can't see it .. then you can't see it .. there is no sense in trying to convince you of something that you don't want to see .
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    maryland is about as blue as it gets, outside the northeast and california, it is probably the most democratic state in the union

    people like me, so satisfied on tsunami tuesday, were frustrated by the terrapins, omalley beat former gub ehrlich by 6, we took only MD1, the more upscale eastern shore, frank kratovil

    only my state of CA resisted the november wave more strongly than maryland

    still, yesterday:

    Thousands of union members rallied before the State House on Monday night, vowing to protect their employee pensions and public school funding. Protesters filled Lawyer’s Mall, immediately in front of the State House, where they stood among the shrubs planted in front of the governor’s mansion and packed Bladen Street. Taking part were members of the state’s largest unions, including the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the Maryland State Education Association, which represents teachers. They rang bells, banged plastic thunder sticks and chanted “Keep the promise.”

    Gov. Martin O’Malley has proposed changes to address a troubling $19 billion in unfunded pension liabilities and $16 billion in retiree health liabilities. It would require increased contributions from state employees. “This is the guy that likes you, and look what he’s doing to you,” said Thomas Corkran, a retired corrections maintenance officer, who spent 21 years teaching Maryland inmates to do repairs on state buildings.

    O’Malley, a Democrat, also cut $94 million from the state’s public schools in the budget plan he submitted to the General Assembly in January. Those moves brought a mix of long-time state workers and teachers pouring in along Bladen Street Monday night.

    But when cast against Wisconsin — where Republican lawmakers stripped collective bargaining rights for state workers — and states considering similar measures, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka lauded O’Malley. “Unlike the other places, like Wisconsin and Ohio, that are trying to destroy the workers’ right to sit down and collectively bargain this governor understands us,” said, in an interview before the rally. When asked why he was joining in the protest against O’Malley and the Legislature, which is overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats, Trumka said it was “part of the process.”
    Thousands of Maryland union workers rally against governor's plan Evansville Courier & Press

    good luck, seeya in springfield

    psst, y'know who's next?

    the new mayor of c-h-i-c-a-g-o

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Indulge me and explain how"public unions get their money from public employees funded by the taxpayers".The key word is funded.
    Tell me where the public unions get their funding if not from the union employees?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tell me where the public unions get their funding if not from the union employees?
    They get their money from the MEMBERS of the Union that they belong to, not necessarily local that they belong to. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters for instance, has many Three Conferences; among the conferences are a bunch of locals, each local can be divided up by the type of workers they represent.

    So tell me, if someone who works for ABF freight, when he pays his monthly union dues is he/she funding Yellow freight system, big competitors in the LTL freight segment?
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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