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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! 30 years and you are still waiting on your trickle? There is no benefit, except to further build the offshore savings of the wealthy. One only has to look at the last 3 decades to see that since Reaganomics, our economy has declined and our debt has increased.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will be interesting to see our your class war plays out in November of next year.
    "My class war"???? It is liberals in Madison that have deemed this a 'class war'. But if your question is the bourgeoisie v the proletariat I'd have to ask which are you? And what of those proletariat that become the bourgeoisie after the social take over, and destruction of capitalism? What then eh?


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "My class war"???? It is liberals in Madison that have deemed this a 'class war'. But if your question is the bourgeoisie v the proletariat I'd have to ask which are you? And what of those proletariat that become the bourgeoisie after the social take over, and destruction of capitalism? What then eh?


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    What in the world are talking about? Union membership is the lowest its ever been in your lifetime, as has already been documented here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059351463
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Seeing as you keep attempting to divert ,dance around, my question which, is show me an example of a uniion “telling people what they have to do with some of their money? ”.Perhaps this question will be a bit easer for you. From post #893, where you say that public unions live off the taxpayers dollars? You’ll have to explain that one to this old Teamster.

    Are you saying that because public employees pay their union dues, out of wages that they earn from the work they do, be it filling potholes, teach children in public schools, fight fires, or put their lives on the line to protect and serve the citizens of the city/state. You consider that public unions living off of taxpayer’s dollars?

    Now donc, think about what you just asked. Because the answer is basically “yes.” who are those peoples employer? Is it not the city or state they work for? Seeing union dues are taken from a city/state employee's wages, I'm not sure what other way it could be put. I'm not sure where your city/state get the biggest majority of it's money from, but every state/city I have lived in, the money comes from property taxes, state income tax, or various other taxes within that state.

    If that is indeed the case, then one could easily enough say, that public unions are funded by by taxpayer's dollars, as it's taxpayer's dollars that pay the wages of public workers, from which union dues are deducted.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Unless someone's birthdate is before 1939, Union membership is at its lowest point in your lifetime. To blame unions for todays economic meltdown is ludicrous.

    Well in this case at least you will have to find someone besides Reagan to blame for the decline of unions, seeing unions seem to reach their peak in about 1945, and have been steadily declining since 1955.

    So what in your opinion has been causing that decline, there has to be a reason. I know I have my thoughts on this, just wondering what yours are? I'm sure it's going to have something to do with the rich, but wonders what sort of spin you are going to use for it.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    Well in this case at least you will have to find someone besides Reagan to blame for the decline of unions, seeing unions seem to reach their peak in about 1945, and have been steadily declining since 1955.

    So what in your opinion has been causing that decline, there has to be a reason. I know I have my thoughts on this, just wondering what yours are? I'm sure it's going to have something to do with the rich, but wonders what sort of spin you are going to use for it.
    I think people forgot how important unions were to improve working conditions and compensation and to provide a balance to corporate influence over government.

    The people of Germany had a similar experience in history. Lets, hope we don't allow the same to happen here. It is why I stand with the workers and their right to bargain collectively.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i'm a public school teacher and there is little doubt that the cta and the nea are all about the profession and not the community, the country or the kids
    With no quorum, only one party, the vote isn't legal. Of course, the governor has the power to do anything he wants, but that would make him a dictator, not the people's choice.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So what has been causing that decline,
    Moving all those companies overseas, robots replacing workers, closed shop no longer legal, partisan governors with too much power.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    The GOP's agenda: American quality labor at Chinese labor prices.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think people forgot how important unions were to improve working conditions and compensation and to provide a balance to corporate influence over government.

    The people of Germany had a similar experience in history. Lets, hope we don't allow the same to happen here. It is why I stand with the workers and their right to bargain collectively.
    Still doesn't answer why there has been a steady decline in union membership since 1955.

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