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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    What annual compensation do your think our college educated middle class should aspire to?
    Bad use of words there my friend. ASPIRE implies you are trying to reach higher. We all know that the rightwingers want us to race to the bottom as fast as possible. Thus all this whipsawwing of the public versus private sector and defined pensions versus gauranteed pensions.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Indulge me? I am not a teacher, firefighter or policeman.
    Then what are you even doing in this discussion? I mean don't we hear from liberals all the time that say we are not qualified to speak to a certain issue because we don't know what that issue entails due to not being a part of it?

    Do you even know that teacher's agreed to have less in salary so more of their compensation could go towards their benefits?
    This was a talking point put out there with no basis in reality. Show us the actual, in writing, agreement to do this.

    Together, with benefits they make $75,000 a year on average for one of the most challenging and important jobs in the country.
    I'd like to know where your numbers are coming from.

    Take a closer look at teacher salaries and you'll find states like New York where the average kindergarten teacher salary is $66,450 a year, and states like New Jersey where middle school vocational teachers make $63,870 a year.

    You'll also find states, such as Montana, where the average teacher salary is $40,000 a year and others such as Arkansas, where the average teacher salary is $45,000. These lower salaries reflect the lower cost of living in different areas. However, teachers generally make a good salary considering the cost of living in their city or state.

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    The BLS also estimates that full-time public teachers work an average of 36.5 hours a week during the school year. With the average school year across much of the United States at usually less than 200 days, teaching salaries start to look even more attractive.

    In addition, these numbers don't take into account the benefits that most school districts offer their educators: comprehensive health and life insurance, as well as solid retirement and pension plans.
    Many school districts also offer to pay for or contribute to a teacher's continuing education.

    Most districts pay more based on the amount of college education a teacher has. A master's degree, doctorate or other types of certification, such as special education or vocational certificates, can add thousands of dollars to a base teacher salary each year.

    Teacher Salary | Learn the Secrets to Earning a Higher Teacher Salary
    The BLS I believe estimates the average teachers salary plus benefits described above at just north of $100K per year. Plus as the article states many school districts pay for ongoing education which teachers can use to boost their salaries. Not to mention only having a 200 day work year, and 36.5 hours per week schedule.

    Your numbers are way off here.

    That is $18,000 less than the average annual tax break for those making over $1 million a year. So you are saying $75,000 a year is too high of an expectation for a college educated middle class?
    Well, your numbers being off here I would have to say that in today's world, teachers are paid much better than say 20 years ago, and are being well compensated for what they do.

    What annual compensation do your think our college educated middle class should aspire to?
    Well, now that depends on location, and job performance doesn't it now? Do you know how many teachers were let go do to poor performance in NY state last year? That would be 7. That's it 7 teachers out of some estimated 55,000 teachers in the state? If they have such wonderful teachers in that state how come their scores don't show it?


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    *crickets*

    This story is d-y-i-n-g.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then what are you even doing in this discussion?
    Trying to defend against the class war that has been waged on the middle class in this country.

    I'd like to know where your numbers are coming from.
    Then perhaps you should go back and and look at the references that were provided.

    The BLS I believe estimates the average teachers salary plus benefits described above at just north of $100K per year. Plus as the article states many school districts pay for ongoing education which teachers can use to boost their salaries. Not to mention only having a 200 day work year, and 36.5 hours per week schedule.

    Your numbers are way off here.
    No your numbers are way off. "In Wisconsin, teaching salaries averaged $52,644 in 2009-10, according to the National Education Association, with most school districts offering benefits that range from health insurance to retirement plans."
    Wisconsin Teaching Salaries | How Much Do Wisconsin Teachers Make?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    *crickets*

    This story is d-y-i-n-g.


    Doesn't look like it is dying to me -



    "MADISON, Wis., March 12 (Reuters) - Up to 100,000 people protested at the Wisconsin state Capitol on Saturday against a new law curbing the union rights of public workers that is seen as one of the biggest challenges in decades facing U.S. organized labor.

    Madison police spokesman Joel DeSpain estimated the crowd at 85,000 to 100,000 people, which would top the size of protests in Madison during the Vietnam War.
    Up to 100,000 protest Wisconsin law curbing unions | Reuters
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Doesn't look like it is dying to me -



    "MADISON, Wis., March 12 (Reuters) - Up to 100,000 people protested at the Wisconsin state Capitol on Saturday against a new law curbing the union rights of public workers that is seen as one of the biggest challenges in decades facing U.S. organized labor.

    Madison police spokesman Joel DeSpain estimated the crowd at 85,000 to 100,000 people, which would top the size of protests in Madison during the Vietnam War.
    Up to 100,000 protest Wisconsin law curbing unions | Reuters
    It's deader than a door nail, these folks are just watching over it's now rotting corpse. Law was passed... nothing will change that unless the Gov. is recalled and the Senate / Assembly are put into Union friendly hands all at the same time. That's going to take a bit of time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Doesn't look like it is dying to me -



    "MADISON, Wis., March 12 (Reuters) - Up to 100,000 people protested at the Wisconsin state Capitol on Saturday against a new law curbing the union rights of public workers that is seen as one of the biggest challenges in decades facing U.S. organized labor.

    Madison police spokesman Joel DeSpain estimated the crowd at 85,000 to 100,000 people, which would top the size of protests in Madison during the Vietnam War.
    Up to 100,000 protest Wisconsin law curbing unions | Reuters
    That's a funeral procession. This is done, and most of the 88 percent of non-union workers (and many union workers, too) are rejoicing.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That's a funeral procession. This is done.
    There's going to be a hearing on the legality of the vote this coming Friday. Wisconsin Collective Bargaining Statute Challenge Gets March 18 Hearing - Bloomberg

    Frankly, I'm surprised by that since it would seem to be is the court's best interests (the country's best interests, as well) to say that enforcement of the rules of that legislative body should be the purview of the body itself. If that hurdle is passed, then I'd agree: it's over 'ceptin' for possible recalls.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Trying to defend against the class war that has been waged on the middle class in this country.



    Then perhaps you should go back and and look at the references that were provided.



    No your numbers are way off. "In Wisconsin, teaching salaries averaged $52,644 in 2009-10, according to the National Education Association, with most school districts offering benefits that range from health insurance to retirement plans."
    Wisconsin Teaching Salaries | How Much Do Wisconsin Teachers Make?




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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

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    It will be interesting to see our your class war plays out in November of next year.
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