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Originally Posted by Catawba

If your goal is get America's ratio of poor people higher than the 2009 one in seven, that would be the course you would take.

No our goal is to get you liberals to at least be honest in your arguments....Won't happen though.


j-mac

Originally Posted by j-mac

You have no idea what you are talking about. the Poverty rate, although some fluctuation over the decades, stays around 12% regardless of what you do. Oh, And what do you mean by "the Super Rich"? Is this where you start using Michael Moore's talking points instead of Daily KOS?

You have an exceedingly short memory, don't you?

1 in 7 poor in 2009

Yep, spending is a part of the reduction picture.....Tell me today who is more serious about that when you have repubs proposing $61 Billlion, and demo's saying $4 billion?

Talk is cheap look at the actual record over the last 30 years. They never walk the walk and we just get deeper in debt.

So have you brother. Unless you are saying that it is up to someone else to pay it and not you too. In which case I would only say, "See..."

Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.

I am going to assume that you are talking about the country's 400 Billionair's. If that is what you are saying, then let clue you in. If you took every penny that those billionair's had, it would add up to around a Trillion dollars. That is Obama's deficit this year alone, and not even all of it. Now get real

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Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.

Originally Posted by Catawba

If your goal is get America's ratio of poor people higher than the 2009 one in seven, that would be the course you would take.

I'm kinda betting that you're trying to bring everyone down to the poverty level. Anybody that can't give up a couple hundred bucks a year, to the government, is probably already on welfare, anyway.

Originally Posted by Catawba

You have an exceedingly short memory, don't you?

1 in 7 poor in 2009




Talk is cheap look at the actual record over the last 30 years. They never walk the walk and we just get deeper in debt.




Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.



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Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.

So, that 11 trillion we spent on the war on poverty didn't do jack ****??

Originally Posted by apdst

So, that 11 trillion we spent on the war on poverty didn't do jack ****??

If you call keeping millions of starving people from slitting your throat for a loaf of bread, jack ****, then yep.

What did the 9.2 trillion we've given the rich over the last 30 years do for us?

Originally Posted by Catawba

Tax the super rich as we used to, it had no effect on our ability to produce, just less profits for the super rich, which tend to go into overseas savings or investments, that in addition to cutting our wasteful spending .

Its foolish to think we can ever get our debt reduced otherwise.

We seem to forget that rich people are mobile. They can easily move from a high tax state and they can easily leave the country too.


Maryland Politicians Crash on the Laffer Curve « International Liberty

A Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysis of federal tax return data on people who migrated from one state to another found that Maryland lost $1 billion of its net tax base in 2008 by residents moving to other states. …Thanks in part to its soak-the-rich theology, Maryland still has a $2 billion deficit… The state’s best hope is that politicians in other states are as self-destructive as those in Annapolis

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Originally Posted by Conservative

Shareholders have a choice where to invest their money. I get a proxy statement on all my investments. You ought to try it some time and even if they don't it doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime

And when big business gets tax payer subsidies and donates millions to Republicans and Republican-friendly organizations - like the US Chamber of Commerce, who gave 90% of their political donations to Republicans - you think that's ok?

Originally Posted by Catawba

Yes, see that it is the middle class that suffers for the tax cuts to the super rich and the wasteful spending. That is what I am saying.

you sure are

LOL!

you musta said it a thousand times

you could replaced with a tape recorder

problem is you're all alone

Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

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Originally Posted by Catawba

What did the 9.2 trillion we've given the rich over the last 30 years do for us?

we gave it to em?

LOL!

you sound like michael moore

RealClearPolitics - Video - Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours"

he's funny

Originally Posted by Catawba

Those that make over $1 million get $93,000 tax cut on average every year, Add that up over the last 30 years and apply to our debt and it is cut substantially.

How is it cut substantially? For the current budget year, it represents almost nothing. Had you raised taxes on the rich, Obama's 1.5 trillion dollar deficit would have at best been reduced to 1.47 trillion (only in la la land where you assume there is zero economic benefit to the cut) - and at worst actually increased the deficit due to an added drain on the economy.