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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And Obama is responsible for nearly half of that debt in his two short years...Good Job!


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what should have been done? Give tax cuts to people who don't even pay taxes, to begin with?
    "A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest."

    It should be self-evident.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You're failing to address the fact that the Union workers don't always have their dues spent the way they would like them spent. Would you like your dues to go to ...let's say....Sarah Palin's campaign? Or an attack ad on Obama?
    That's an issue for union members to discuss. Unions act in the interest of their members, members can organize against and change the leaders of their unions if they aren't doing this.

    And the reason it's not a good idea to make joining unions a choice is because when unions negotiate better pay, benefits and work environments, those who didn't pay dues or who didn't protest/plan will benefit from it without having worked for it.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "A disproportionate share of the $858 billion deal will go to people in the top 1 percent who spend only a fraction of what they earn and save the rest."

    It should be self-evident.
    Ok, since we're not as smart as you are, hows about you explain it?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's an issue for union members to discuss. Unions act in the interest of their members, members can organize against and change the leaders of their unions if they aren't doing this.

    And the reason it's not a good idea to make joining unions a choice is because when unions negotiate better pay, benefits and work environments, those who didn't pay dues or who didn't protest/plan will benefit from it without having worked for it.
    That's what I think most of us expect happens; "unions act in the interest of their members" but reality is more what was posted earlier. Unions act in the interest of the union. I used to think unions were a great thing - the more I saw the less I liked and I finally gave up my stewardship and decided not to participate at all. I still had to give my dues as it was a closed shop, but I ignored the union as much as I could.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I’ve not only explained in this thread how union dues is kept separate from other Union funds, but in another thread I provided you a link to a Teamster local near your abode as well, on the off chance that you just might want to kick into their DRIVE PAC.


    By the way here is what DRIVE stands for “Democrat, Republican, Independent Voter Education”. We stuck in a big R just in case you might want to say that you gave to a Union bi-partisan go pac.

    Here is the link…yet again. I also provide a link to DRIVE for the International Union, in case you want your bucks spread throughout the country for a good cause.

    It’s a shame that you forgot the link to your home local the first time though, late onset sure is rough isn’t it…so sad.




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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The 2010 Census data is for the year 2009, when 1 in 7 were poor. Most of the debt came from 3 decades of Reaganomics.
    Here, let's use a source you libs love so...The CBO...


    President Obama’s fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation’s economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.

    In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president’s budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade.

    “An additional $1.2 trillion in debt dumped on [GDP] to our children makes a huge difference,” said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “That represents an additional debt of $10,000 per household above and beyond the federal debt they are already carrying."

    CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP - Washington Times

    Now I know you libs hate Reagan so much that you would just love to blame the guy, but the numbers show that to be a lie. I am shocked.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, since we're not as smart as you are, hows about you explain it?
    Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.
    That $858 billion isn't going to pay my debt, anyway.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans vote to strip public worker collective bargaining rights wi

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since the majority of the $858 billion is going to the top 1 percent, its not going to you to help pay of your debts.
    It should go there, maybe they'll create some jobs instead of blowing it on flat screens, and new dubs for the ride...


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